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A very concerning keyword rejection

I recently submitted a couple hundred keywords for Wolves (2016/1).  Only one was rejected: "n-word". Why? Have you not seen this film?   The word is mentioned a couple of times early in the film as high school basketball players are teasing each other after watching outdoor basketball players.  Has this keyword suddenly become verboten?

Here's my resubmission:

210214-223022-606000
Track Contribution
2021-02-14 22:30:22 Wolves (2016/I)
Keywords -  1 item added
Oldest First
Selected Oldest First

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5 years ago

Hi, Bradley Kent. You're trying to create a new keyword? Wait. The one in question used to exist? I didn't even know. I can see how we might want to use keywords to track the utterances of various epithets.

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"n-word" has LONG existed as a keyword.  It is now listed on 450/448 titles. There are many similar, long-and-often used keywords like: "b-word," "c-word," etc.  Problem is that one such keyword can, fortunately or unfortunately, stand for different epithets.

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How do I find movies with any of these keywords?

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These keywords are easily searched.  There are similar keywords followed with the addendum "-slur,"  i.e. "feces-slur," "vagina-slur," "penis-slur," etc., that have long existed and been submitted by many contributors and accepted by staff keyword list managers.  To eliminate them, what is next?  Any keyword with a "-stereotype" addendum, i.e. "Italian-stereotype,"  "gay-stereotype," etc.  And then keywords like "blackface"? "christian"? "anti-semitism"? There is no moral or sociological judgement here, but an attempt to reflect the objective (and, I hope, "mature") content of a title, regardless of how one may "feel" or "think" about that content.

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Personally, the n-word is demeaning to me, too. But this is not about one or any contributor's subjective thoughts, beliefs and feelings.

The last film for which I submitted the "n-word" keyword after I saw it was "Judas and the Black Messiah," which is about Fred Hampton and the Black Panthers.  This has absolutely nothing to do with my political or sociological thoughts or beliefs or feelings.  It is just the fact that the "n-word" is used in the.film. Keywords are an objective reporting of a title's content, not subjective editorializing .

And, by the way. the vast majority of keywords reside in  common usage.  Most are "commonplace."  But it is often the keywords that are not "commonplace" that truthfully distinguish a title.

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Easily? When I search for titles by keyword "nigger" on IMDb, zero results are returned. The same is the case for keyword "cunt". (This is with or without "-slur" on either of them.) What in the world is going on? Seems to me that they have already been deleted, unless my interface is different from everybody else's. Why would my interface be different, though? Can anybody explain?

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Search "n-word" and "c-word," not the other words for which they stand.
One could also search "african-american-slur" and "vagina-slur," although they are less used.

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O, okay. I understand now. The words are encoded in the bowlderized form. That makes some sense. Maybe they should be redirected (or slowly phased out) in such a ways as to be less ambiguous and having more context, like "character-calls-other-character-x-word", "character-calls-self-x-word" or "character-speaks-of-x-word", likewise if it is the narrator or real-life interview participant instead of a character.

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5 years ago

The keyword is listed now.

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And have been listed for a long time.

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I mean it is listed on the title you referenced.

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He means that it is now listed on the title in question.

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Thanks.  That was my original concern.

I would just like to know WHY it was not originally accepted so I can avoid a similar situation in the future.

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Since the keyword is listed amid other keywords, not at the end, it seems most likely that your original submission was approved. As you know, some data may be delayed due to the ways they are processed or checked.

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Thanks. Yes, the original submission, with this one exception, was processed.  But I would still like to know WHY this one exception was delayed and HOW processing and checking caused this to happen.

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I would suggest that your whole submission was processed, just not all at the same time. In this case probably because some keywords are considered sensitive. I think it's a good thing that at least some submissions are checked before being published.

You don't seem to make a distinction between "processed" and "approved", and you originally said that the keyword was rejected. It is easy to see whether submission have been approved or rejected or are still pending: just click "Track Contribution".

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5 years ago

Hi bradley_kent -

 

I can see that the Keyword is now listed on the title: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4623856/keywords/

 

Cheers!

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Yes. Thanks. But I would still like to know why?  The same keyword on another title was processed immediately.  Is there a list of "sensitive" keywords?  Does the processing differ from one keyword list manager to another, depending on who may be processing the submissions?

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Well, it is also possible that something is/was going on with the IMDb title page in question, enough to slow down the processing of submissions concerning one data type or another.

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But there were a couple hundred keywords accepted in the same submissions for this title, just not this one.  A curiosity.

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@bradley_kent I can tell you I've had trouble submitting keywords like this for some time now. They get randomly rejected. Usually, if I submit them again, they'll get accepted. I've also had random other keywords rejected. I have no idea how you can get "unable to verify" on keywords like "cow" or "chicken" which we recently rejected on an episode of All Creatures Great and Small. They were accepted the second time I submitted them.

Also, why aren't keywords alphabetized instead of in the order they were entered? (Edit: Never mind I see you can change the order. Relevance seems to put them in the order they were entered if no one has up or down voted them.)

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Wow!  Interesting response.

I also encounter the same situation on many genre submissions.  A romcom can have a Romance genre, but Comedy gets rejected!  A first-person-narrated documentary can have Documentary as a genre, but not Biography.  I could go on and on.  No logic.

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