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#220102-231452-791000 declined

Looking for a reasonable explanation for this denial. I submitted a trivia addition for Lola Petticrew stating:

Lola identifies as queer and nonbinary, stating "I use they and she. I prefer they but I don't mind she".

I'd have preferred to put it under their mini biography, but it wouldn't meet the minimum word count, so I went with Trivia instead. The following Additional Information was provided, including sources:

Lola Petticrew spoke about being a queer actor in a couple different interviews in 2020, and spoke about being nonbinary in a 2021 interview with the Irish Independent.

SOURCES

Girls on Tops 2020 interview: https://www.girlsontopstees.com/read-me/2020/6/30/untangling-love-in-conversation-with-lola-petticrew-on-dating-amber

The Queer Review 2020 interview: https://thequeerreview.com/2020/11/10/exclusive-interview-dating-amber-star-lola-petticrew/

The Irish Independent 2021 interview: https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/lola-petticrew-people-dont-have-to-understand-everynuance-of-my-sexuality-or-gender-all-they-have-to-do-is-respect-it-40592667.html 

Addition came back declined due to "Does not meet contribution guidelines." I went and looked at the contribution guidelines for trivia, and it stated that the following are reasons why a trivia anecdote would be declined.

  1. Your opinions: Please do not include personal opinions and try not to use subjective descriptions ("in this great movie...", "Chaplin's superbly comic performance...", etc).
  2. Rumors: Unsubstantiated rumors cannot be accepted, although some early casting rumors can be interesting - so long as they're documented and verifiable (please include a link to your sources wherever possible).
  3. Anything defamatory.
  4. 'Gutter press' scandal and gossip.
  5. Low entries in movie lists

As you can see above, nothing about this submission falls under any of those categories. It is not a matter of my own opinion: Lola Petticrew has stated their sexuality and gender themself in their own words, as shown in all the linked articles. It is not a rumor, nor could it possibly be construed as defamatory, scandal, or gossip—again, it's their own words, and it is not defamatory to recognize someone's gender identity.

I would very much like to know IMDb's reasoning as to how this fails to meet contribution guidelines. Particularly as the insinuation that properly noting an actor's gender identity and pronouns is somehow offensive or "gutter press", is extremely disturbing. And given that this is the second nonbinary actor I've tried to make edits on to properly identify them, and both times have been met with denials, I'm starting to see this as a pattern.

EDIT 1/5: I should add that two quotes from Lola about their gender and sexuality which I submitted have now been approved, so that's something. However, this does not change the fact that adding the simple information of their gender identity and pronouns has still been denied. So I would still appreciate some kind of help or explanation with this.

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4 years ago

Hi btianomohr -

I can confirm that the reason why the trivia item was rejected was because it included quotes.  Quotes should only be listed under the "Personal Quotes" section.

We do allow trivia items referencing gender identity, so I encourage you to resubmit the trivia item without the quoted content as just "Identifies as queer and nonbinary".

Cheers!

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@Michelle Excellent, I will absolutely do so. Thank you kindly.

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@Michelle I went ahead and did as you suggested, submitted another Trivia addition which does not include any quotes. #220105-235251-783000 was denied again as not meeting guidelines. I did make the addition of including Lola's correct pronouns as that is an important piece of information, but made sure it was not as a quote, and the information is verifiable through the Additional Info I submitted.

Any advice on why this was denied?

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Hi @btianomohr​ -

I have now resubmitted and approved the trivia item, it should be live on the site shortly.

Cheers!

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@Michelle Thank you kindly, appreciate all your help!