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Sat, Nov 4, 2017 12:27 AM

Updates to TV Series Full Cast & Crew pages

As Col referenced in his post earlier this week, we're pleased to announce that we've added episodic information to the Series Cast section of the TV Series Full Cast & Crew page.  This means that TV Series Full Cast & Crew is now a one-stop shop that not only provides the number of episodes in which a given actor / actress appeared, but also shows the exact episodes in which the actor / actress appeared (with links to the episodes).  You can access the data by clicking on the down arrows to the right of the years (see screenshot below).  

You can access the particular's episode's full cast by clicking on a particular episode's link.  For example, clicking on the "Wrap Around the Clock" Family Ties episode for Micheal J. Fox will take you to the episode's page, which shows the entire cast for the episode.    

As part of this enhancement, early next week, we’re eliminating the old Episode Cast page.  If you had an Episode Cast page bookmarked, upon using your bookmark, you’ll automatically be redirected to the corresponding Full Cast & Crew page. 





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5.1K Messages

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143K Points

4 y ago

As Col referenced in his posting earlier this week,
we're pleased to announce that we've added episodic information
to the Series Cast section of the TV Series Full Cast & Crew page... 
Leonard, Official Rep
Joined on May 8, 2017
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/leonard_david
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Merge this with this :

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0?topi...

Another recently launched benefit from this is
you can now click the number of episodes on the title main details
and full cast pages of any TV-show
to show exactly in which episodes the person appeared directly on the page.
For example, from
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4574334/ (by clicking "9 episodes"):
14 hours ago
by Col Needham, Official Rep


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Separate posts are useful, especially later on in searches.

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Separate posts are useful, especially later on in searches

by Peter, Champion

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May get more helpful info if linked together or merged

From my post over there...
Katherine Kelly Lang    ...   Brooke Logan  4,277 episodes, 1987-2017
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0485810/

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[ actor in the most episodes ? ]
Posted 5 days ago
by ACT_1
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/-actor-in-the-most-episodes


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what catastrophic news that you have removed the abiltity to see all the cast of all the episodes in one place using the epcast page. this has been an essential tool for me to check for vandalism to episides of the various titles that i regularly contribute to - such as the time that someone deleted all the credits for an actor and my saved epcast pages for various titles were useful in resubmitting the vandalised data.

i despair of IMDB sometimes. only ever ADD features. never DELETE them.

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I agree this is a travesty. Over the years I collected scores of bookmarks to epcast pages to favorite or otherwise of interest shows. All that effort wasted. I don't approach the cast info from the POV described above in so-called enhancement. I want to see all episodes of the series, including cast, on one page so I can search by episode title. This stinks! I want to approach it by episode, not actor.

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460 Points

Unfortunately, IMDB doesn't care about us.  This is proven by their lack of response here and failure to reinstate a perfectly good page that was already created for thousands of shows.  I used to praise and recommend the site to others frequently.  Not anymore.

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I think, the lack of response, and lack of engagement, may in the long run turn out to be simply a collection of very slow, delayed responses.

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Actually, a while back someone from IMDB got us all excited because he said the page was coming back and he was working on it.  It turned out he responded to the wrong thread with his update so it didn't apply to this situation, so IMDB is aware and I suspect has been from the beginning.

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I think, the lack of response, and lack of engagement,
may in the long run turn out to be simply a collection of very slow, delayed responses.
Posted April 9 2018
by Jeorj Euler


Updates to TV Series Full Cast & Crew pages
Posted 5 months ago (Nov 4 2017)
by Leonard, Official Rep
Joined on May 8, 2017
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/leonard_david

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/title-literature-pages
Title Literature Pages
Posted 4 months ago (Dec 4 2017)
by Leonard, Official Rep

Last active 4 months ago (Dec 4 2017) ? ?


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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2397594/
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184.7K Points

We will see where we are four years from now. Indeed, you should always perform a followup inquiry every month or so, just in case there is confusion occurring.

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66.3K Points

4 y ago

Am I right in saying that in the past, it was possible to view all actors in a show per episode on one page and now, that is no longer possible?

375 Messages

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10.2K Points

yes. a valuable resource has been removed.

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142 Points

I agree, I miss this feature.

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66.3K Points

4 y ago

Also, could you add this announcement to 'Data Issues & Policy Discussions'?

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182 Points

4 y ago

I HATE WHAT YOU DID I LIKED THAT EPISODE CAST PAGE IT WAS MUCH EASIER TO ACCESS THAN THIS NEW WAY YOUR DOING IT. IT IS MORE TIME CONSUMING TO USE

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304 Points

4 y ago

This is ridiculous. How does adding additional steps to view information improve the user experience? Hands down, this is the worst change to IMDB in memory. I sincerely hope you will reconsider this infuriating revision. There are very few alternatives out there, but this is enough to send me looking for one.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. a terrible decision. Please IMDB staff stop tinkering and meddling. by all means add new features but leave existing features untouched for those of us who rely on them.

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Hopefully the web developers and database developers will find a way to make the modernized software do some of the things that the older platform allowed to be provided.

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302 Points

4 y ago

I do not like this change. As I often watch shows with multiple (read: 8 or more) seasons, I LOVED the ep cast page due to the addition of the brief synopses of each episode. It made figuring out a specific episode I may be thinking of much easier, than having to search in each individual season. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE revert back! 

The old way also made it easier when I could remember the name of an episode but not where it falls in the lineup of the series. 

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304 Points

4 y ago

Exactly! Not to mention that in the old system if you were trying to identify an actor in a particular episode the information was right there. Now I need to know the actor to try to find the episode. It defeats the whole purpose of the thing. It's beyond ridiculous.

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You're absolutely right, Thessair.

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704 Points

It is insane that this feature has changed like this. Extra steps and needing to know beforehand what you used to browse for is just, respectfully, amateurish and sloppy. Who made up the specs? What useability, if any, was tested? Who, if anybody, in the user community did you ask? IMDB is not a new, small, underfunded entity. Amazon learns a lot from us as we use the app. and researching data to take advantage of Prime has been made tortuous.

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4 y ago

I'm sure the list of actors, with drop-down links to all their episodes, is very useful for some people. Fine. You've created a new feature.

But for heaven's sake don't remove old features like the list *in credits order* of all the cast for all the episodes. It's a convenient single place that lists everything. And as I said earlier, it makes it very easy to see in any of the cast members in any of the episodes have been removed/altered, accidentally or maliciously.

Can you please restore the episode cast page, and also adopt a policy of "only ever add features, NEVER remove features".

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302 Points

4 y ago

The other thing I like about the epcast page is when I only catch a glimpse of an episode, and use a character name to figure out what episode I'm watching. Ctrl-F on that page is a god-send. Please! bring it back! I use it almost daily!

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254 Points

4 y ago

The episode cast page was one of the most useful pages on your site. Please bring it back! It is beyond annoying if I have to click through every episode page of a TV show to get this information now, especially if it ran for more than one season. A long list with every actor that ever appeared in it is completely useless, if it is not grouped by episode!

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254 Points

4 y ago

I went back and tried to find the information that used to be on the "episodes cast" page another way, but it is just not possible with the full list. For example, I just bought the season 7 DVD set of "Blue Bloods", and I tried to find the actors involved in season 7. On this particular show, there are over 2500 actors listed, but there is no discernible order to those names. The 2400 actors that only appeared once are neither listed alphabetically, nor are they in chronological order. I haven't found a way to change that either. There is also no "expand all" feature, to see the episodes all those actors appeared in at once, and I don't plan on doing that for all 2500 actors. All that's left is to go through episode by episode, but to see all actors, you have to go to the full list for all epsiodes, and on the full list page there is no "next" button. Meaning I have to go back to the main page, which adds up to 3 mouse clicks per episode, 66 clicks for the 22 season seven episode, for information I used to get with about 3 or 4 clicks. Since I guess that your ad-customers pay by number of views, this is probably getting you way more money, but it certainly doesn't make the lives of us lowly "users" easier.

It feels like a throw-back, because many, many years ago, actors used to be added to the show's main page, rather than episodes, and the result was the same as now: long lists of actors with no easy way of finding out when they actually appeared. It was just a mess of not very useful data.

Since I don't think the episodes cast feature will be back, you might at least think about doing the same sort of display for the crew as well. I, for one, am more likely to look for all the episodes a certain director was involved in, than any of the hundreds of bit players listed. And secondly, it would also improve if not only the episode title, but also the season & episode number were displayed. I doubt that anyone has memorized all the episode titles for a show, whereas the season and episode numbers give you at least a rough idea.

Also, for anyone who misses this page as much as I do: the Internat Archive has a Wayback Machine that stores almost every internet page that ever was. For older shows you still can find the episodes cast pages there. Doesn't work for new shows, or new seasons; and it might not have the most up to date data; but that probably doesn't matter all that much for old shows or seasons.

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I sense that the Wayback Machine will become increasingly useful in the next several months.

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I've already tried it and unfortunately, as of now, there's nothing there.  Maybe it's because of the automatic redirect or maybe it hasn't been down long enough.  I've closed out the IMDB page that I've relied upon for years.  IMDB is becoming useless to me now.

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254 Points

4 y ago

One more thing: Don't know if this carries any weight at all, but since this help-user doesn't link back to my imdb-account: I have been a imdb-member for 16 years now, with way over 10,000 contributions (username "argusauge"), and I'd really like that epcast page back. Please, please, please!?!

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612 Points

4 y ago

Removing the episode cast page is not an "enhancement" as you strangely put it. Maybe you mean it enhances your ability to maintain the site but it certainly doesn't improve anything for the users. Who do you think is going to click on dozens or hundreds of episode links one at a time when the old page did all that for you automatically. How can this retrograde step be considered an "improvement".

I hope this doesn't mean you also going to be soon doing away with the invaluable Reference View because the so-called modern layout is just a terrible mess.

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Col: As Alan says, please don't think about removing Reference View. It provides an essential view of the data without extraneous adverts and social media stuff, and with the cast in the defined order that it was in the on-screen credits (as opposed to a subjective "order of eminence of the actor").

People like me who spend probably 95% of the time modifying and adding data, and about 5% looking at the finished data, need more tools to aid the addition of data.

One tool is the Episode Cast page that we're discussing here. Another is a view that sorts data into credit order while it is being submitted - this makes it much easier to see whether you've got gaps or duplicates in credit numbers, especially when adding new cast to a list that has some existing cast, so you need to maintain an consecutive numbering system across both updated and added cast.

Col, please consider the needs of the army of unsung heroes - those who add data to IMDB - and don't try to force everyone into a one-size-fits-all user-interface.

And, as I've said before and I'll continue to say, once you have a feature in IMDB, it should stay there forever: no matter how many additional features and data views you add, nothing should ever be removed. That's martin's first rule of software development - add, but never remove features. It's something I feel passionate about :-)

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Where did the Episode Cast feature go?.

Where did the Episode Cast feature go?

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Episode Cast.

What happened to the "episode cast" link? It just disappeared. This happened once before, but it came back. I'm hoping it comes back again.