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Wed, Dec 6, 2017 7:51 PM

Updates to List Pages

Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.

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4 y ago

Reordering a List.
I have a list of 91 titles that I want clustered by vague concepts that I don't want to try to name.
So I exported the list to a spreadsheet, cut/paste into the clusters, assigned new position numbers, and tried to move them.

I started with the cluster that was supposed to end the list. Here was the intended mapping:
1 >> 79
3 >> 80
5 >> 81
17 >> 82
23 >> 83
28 >> 84
33 >> 85
34 >> 86
52 >> 87
53 >> 88
72 >> 89
78 >> 90
89 >> 91
I entered these all at once, and double checked my entries before hitting Save Ordered List.
Here was the result (I left in the intended numbers for comparison):
1 >> 79 >>> 68
3 >> 80 >>> 70
5 >> 81 >>> 72
17 >> 82 >>> 74
23 >> 83 >>> 76
28 >> 84 >>> 78
33 >> 85 >>> 80
34 >> 86 >>> 82
52 >> 87 >>> 84
53 >> 88 >>> 86
72 >> 89 >>> 61
78 >> 90 >>> 66
89 >> 91 >>> 85
I was moving 11 items; the first title is off by 11, the second by 10, the third by 9, etc. until title 72. I can sort of imagine what happened to the first 8 (they each lost a slot by their own movement.). But the last 3? No clue. And I have a degree in Computer Science from long ago. 

I'm sure that if I had assigned these 11 positions 92-103 they would have landed fine. But that wouldn't help me with the next cluster up.

I'm going to export the list, match the new positions to my titles, and try to move a cluster to the top of the list instead. I'll report back with the results. HOPEFULLY, because the new position is supposed to "insert before the current holder of this position", moving up will work better than moving down.

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OK, moving the first cluster (7 titles) to the top of the list worked great.

EXCEPT those moves change most of the position numbers after the first 7, and it doesn't change them all by 7, only those originally in the first 7 slots; others move according to how many titles jumped ahead of them.

So, IMDb execs, do you start to understand why people are pleading for drag/drop? It's nearly impossible to "see" what the algorithm is going to do when you move more than one title at a time. Frankly, even when you move 1 title, all the titles between the original position and the new position change their position numbers too.

Since I'm reordering my entire list, I have lots of options. But when merging new titles into an already sorted list, you have fewer options. Probably only to move 1 at a time. And on a list with multiple hundred titles, to move and verify each reorder is incredibly laborious. Then you need to refresh the origin and destination positions for the next move.
 
That's why we need a system that allows us to open a position in the list and specify "bring this title here." That's what drag/drop does without numbers. 

I'm going to continue playing around with my list. I'll post any further findings here.

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I finished sorting my list by just powering through the entry of all new positions. It put ONE title in the wrong place: the one title that should have stayed where it was. I wonder if I had entered the position again if it would have stayed put.

I'll tell you this: if we had an option to sort by the description we enter, and then freeze the positions there I needn't have calculated the exact location of each title. That's true for some of my people lists as well. 

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Thanks for thoroughly evaluating this stuff, bderoes.

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Nothing says "user friendly" like swapping out drag and drop for the ease of math and crossing your fingers. The people who made this change have to know how ridiculous it is. Hopefully they're given a chance to fix this mess. It really shouldn't be this difficult.

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Great job, seriously. And the problem is only magnified as a list gets bigger. Refreshing the page after every single position change to see what "undefined behaviour" has occurred? Pretty bad but not catastrophic. Moving several pages over after every single position change? That's your entire weekend gone on reordering one list.

All I want is predictable, well-defined reordering behaviour without major bugs. The solution doesn't have to be drag and drop but drag and drop is the epitome of predictable and well-defined.

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4 y ago

Your "merge of compact view and list editing into a single Edit experience" is a TOTAL SLOW FEST. To add few items to a 218 titles list and to place them properly takes a ten times (if not twenty or even thirty) more time and efforts. The IMDb web developers are absolute UNPROFESSIONAL in holding the usability on at least the same level. The opening my list in an edit mode now means the loading of hundred full sized posters and it's SLOW. I cannot add title to first page of my list without opening the last page and it's SLOW. I cannot add a comment to a second last added title without refreshing the page and it's SLOW. I cannot remove title without refreshing the page and it's SLOW. I cannot add a title of short film without additional search of title ID and it's SLOW. I cannot add a foreign title for sure without additional search of title ID and it's SLOW. The button SAVE LIST ORDER gone from the bottom of edit page and its SLOWING my work. Etc. etc.etc.

It's very unprofessional to do something without a proper testing. [angry]

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I totally support what you're saying.

But here are some suggestions:
  • You can get to the end of a long list quickly by editing the URL to "page=n" where n is the last page number of your list, and the URL looks like this:
  • http://www.imdb.com/list/ls00000/edit?sort=list_order,asc&page=2
  • If you're going to a title page to get the title id to add in Edit mode, you might as well just add the title to the list via the mouseover-Watchlist button on the title page. Then you can refresh the Edit mode page and the title will be at the end of the list.
  • If you add a title from its title page and need to add comments, you can get to the last items in the list by using the reverse button next to List Order. (This is one of the actual improvements to list editing.) 
  • But if, while in Reverse List Order, you want to add a title to the list in Edit mode and then add comments, it takes a refresh in between to get the new title to show at the end (displayed top) of the list.
Hopefully my suggestions are just temporary work-arounds while IMDb improves "the experience."

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Won't this "just add the title to the list via the mouseover-Watchlist button on the title page" add it to your Watchlist?  

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@Patrick Gordon-Brown

Mouseover
, meaning Hover until the full list of Lists drops down. Then select the destination list.

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bderoes, mouseover-Watchlist button on the title page only adds titles to my watchlist or opens my lists without adding a title to them. This function goes for few years (for me).

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nonduc nonduc

So you see something like this, and click on the + to the left of the list name, and it opens the list? (Opening the list happens when I click on the double right carat to the right of the list name). If so, do you have some extra script running on title pages?

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I don't get a page that looks like that, like nonduc nonduc I only get the option to Add to Watchlist.  What browser are you using to get that view?

Champion

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Chrome, Edge and Firefox give the add-to-lists drop-down on Title pages.

You have to be signed in to get that, otherwise you get only a white box with "Click to add to watchlist". I didn't click to see what happened.

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I still only get the Add to Watchlist option when I hover over the box.  I'm signed in to my member account.  In Chrome or Edge it doesn't look like your screen either

Champion

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Forgive the question, but: You have created your own lists, right? And you're logged into the account where the lists were created?

Since you have Edge, that means you're on Windows 10?

Even when I log in to an account where I've made no lists, the mouseover still gives me 2 options:
View Watchlist
New List

Do you have any scripts or ad blockers running?

Anything interesting about your mouse and/or how it's configured?

Does mouseover trigger (without clicking) the dropdowns for the 4 choices on the row with the IMDb logo, namely Movies, TV and Showtimes, and 3 others.

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It is to do with site settings!  I've always set it so I see Full Cast & Crew.  if I untick that box I get a large + sign next to the title that wasn't there before.  This then gives me the view you have.  thanks for your help.

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@Patrick Gordon-Brown
Great job figuring that out! & Thanks for reporting back.
I just tried that view, and had trouble even finding the Add to Watchlist link, buried among other links in the left column, and no provision for adding to other lists.

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4 y ago

Why do sites feel the need to drastically change features that their users have come to love. The Lists feature was my favorite thing about IMDb. These new changes are absolutely horrible. They are now cluttered with information I don't want to see (ie. Watch Now on Amazon Video).

What happened to the Compact View? Less is more sometimes! People don't always want to see all the information of the movie in a list. We can do that ourselves by looking up the movie page.

I do yearly lists of my favorite 30 movies of the year and change the rankings constantly. That was so easy to do with the drag and drop feature. Now I need to manually type in numbers for multiple movies just to change the rankings? I hate this so much.

Bottom line is now the Lists are just cluttered and hard to use. What use to be my favorite thing about the site is now infuriating. I am so disappointed with these changes and I know I'm not in the minority here. What were you guys thinking?

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Life follows the path of least resistance, I guess.

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Agree about the compact view.  Its like going to an art museum and seeing only sections of paintings than the whole painting itself.  Very lame.

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4 y ago

I created lists of favorite actors or directors, how can I change the order individually ? thats not possible.... please fix this. because everytime I watch another movie of a director Id like to change the order.

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The people lists have the position numbers in boxes while in Edit mode, just like titles. I just tried moving one person by entering her new destination in the list, and it worked.

Elsewhere in this thread you'll read about people's discontent with losing the drag/drop method (including me), but you CAN move items in a list.

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4 y ago

You know what else is annoying now and you guys still haven't fixed my other question yet or responded to it.Also any list I go into doesn't go into red or purple anymore highlighting that I clicked on it which was very easy. Can you guys please help and fix this.

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4 y ago

I can't add "Zero for Conduct (1933)" to my list because it does not show up in search.

Champion

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Hi Nom De Plume,

I've verified that Zero for Conduct (1933) does not appear is the search results if you enter the title Zero for Conduct. Zero for Conduct is a film short. Others have reported problems with the title search for title lists does not work for films shorts and TV episode titles.

If you enter the title ID (tt0024803) for Zero for Conduct, the title appears in the search.

The title ID appears to work for all titles. At least for the foreseeable future, use the title ID when the search function for a title list does not find a title.

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Thanks, Dan.

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Until this is fixed, in addition to Dan's workaround (thanks), remember you can always add a title to any list directly from the title page -- just hover over the "+" sign to the left of the title until the menu of lists appears. 

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Colonel Needham (apt surname; everyone on this thread is like 'yep, we need 'im), hi, okay, so the view count is back, which is a positive, but it seems like the person who did it just... guessed! My top 2 lists had something like 59,000 and 69,000 views respectively, now they apparently have 17,000 and 31,000! Every list I've done has a view count that is thousands, often tens of thousands lower than what they were last week, can you kindly get this fixed?  Also the number of views shown in the last 3 days too, I miss that.  Let's you know about the traffic, otherwise it's so bland and bare. 

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Chris... can you please post links to those two lists with what you believe are the before and after counts?  Thank you.

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Jordan- Hi, yeah sure:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls055426815/  Was 59,600
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls055953741/  Was 69,000

I take it from your wording that the old view counts can't be restored en masse, only manually edited individually?

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Col Needham, Official Rep, When I hover over the + sign to the left of a title, the only option I get is to add the title to my watchlist.  The only menu item that comes up is "Click to add to watchlist."  No other menu options appear.

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4 y ago

Karen,

It is no longer possible to export another user's list. This is important for reviewing problems with potential candidates for polls when formatting problems occur.

The creation date for a list is no longer available. Knowing this is important to ensure that poll suggestions do not languish.

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Hi Dan. We're working on bringing back the export and the creation date.

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Karen, hey, so the view count is back, but it seems like the person who did it just... guessed!  My top 2 lists had something like 59,000 and 69,000 views respectively, I was doing well, now they apparently have 17,000 and 31,000!  The same is true across all of my lists, the view count has been drastically reduced for some reason (your colleagues are really putting you in it lately, have you done something to annoy them, to deserve this aggravation lol)  Any chance that you could get them to fix this please and thank you?

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Dan Dassow, Champion
It seems they fixed both the abilities to export another's list and to view list creation dates (or at least timeframes). Do you agree?

You've been on this forum for a lot longer than I. Is this how IMDb usually handles communication on a new release: not acknowledging bug and suggestion reports (although your message on this topic was an exception), and no notification when the problem is fixed (again, with a couple of exceptions)?

IMDb has been pretty aggressive about making changes in recent weeks. I'm surprised they don't stop and improve what they release before the next shock and awe. Fortunately the other changes don't hit quite so close to where I live (on IMDb).

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@bderoes wrote:
It seems they fixed both the abilities to export another's list and to view list creation dates (or at least timeframes). Do you agree?
This functionality appears to be restored.

@bderoes wrote:
You've been on this forum for a lot longer than I. Is this how IMDb usually handles communication on a new release: not acknowledging bug and suggestion reports (although your message on this topic was an exception), and no notification when the problem is fixed (again, with a couple of exceptions)?
This release of updates is much more extensive than any I remember.

Generally, the IMDb staff responds to bug reports. The push back may well be more than the IMDb staff expected.

I've had the benefit of interacting with IMDb staff over many years. As a volunteer Champion I have the responsibility of acting as an ombudsman between the user community and IMDb.

@bderoes wrote:
IMDb has been pretty aggressive about making changes in recent weeks. I'm surprised they don't stop and improve what they release before the next shock and awe. Fortunately the other changes don't hit quite so close to where I live (on IMDb).
I really do not have any inside knowledge on what is driving the pace.

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4 y ago

Karen,

According to:
What kind of text formatting can I use in my list descriptions?
https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/what-kind-of-text-formatting-can-i-use-in-my-list...#

We support formatting using [Square Brackets].

  • [i]italic[/i]
  • [b]bold[/b]
  • [spoiler]Spoilers[/spoiler] (What are spoilers?)
  • [quote]Quotations[/quote]
  • [link]http://www.imdb.com/[/link]
  • [link=http://www.imdb.com/]IMDb[/link]
  • [link=nm2106835]Link to Cynthia Lea's name page[/link]
  • [link=tt0093832]Link to Red's Dream title page[/link]
= = =

Please restore text formatting to change the color of the text:
[white]white text[/white]
[red]red text[/red]
[blue]blue text[/blue]
[green]green text[/green]
[yellow]yellow text[/yellow]
[purple]purple text[/purple]
[black]black text[/black]

= = =

Please restore text formatting for a user's name. Prior to the update of list functionality this formatting worked properly: [link=ur0127678]

Previously it produced this text: dan_dassow
With this link: http://www.imdb.com/user/ur0127678/

Currently this text is produced: ur0127678
With the invalid link: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls062992205/ur0127678

= = =

Please restore text formatting for a company's name. Prior to the update of list functionality this formatting worked properly: [link=co0040620]

Previously it produced this text: Castle RockEntertainment

Currently this text is produced: co0040620

Fortunate, the link is correct:
https://pro-labs.imdb.com/company/co0040620

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According to:
What kind of text formatting can I use in my list descriptions?
https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/what-kind-of-text-formatting-can-i-use-in-my-list...#
by  Dan Dassow, Champion
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https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup
This worked on the Boards and Profile pages
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur0706096/

This all of this work for lists?

  

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Agreed, more consistency would be nice.

And Act-1, thanks for drawing my attention to the emoticons. I thought they were gone.

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Act-1, thanks for the link for the message board and profile page markup.
https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup

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[red] was working for me yesterday so unless something's changed since then, the formatting seems to be the same as ever.

Disregard that. Colour formatting actually did stop working overnight. FFS. One step forward, one step back.

I use different colours for tags in the comments on my list. Sure, I was maybe only one of a hundred people in the entire known universe who has ever used that feature but it was working yesterday so the fact that it doesn't work now is a regression bug imo.

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Thanks for reporting this. I too was using colors. I hope they bring them back, but we have multiple signals that this is deliberate.

Hey, what happened to your line about wishing they'd stop italicizing our comments on titles? Surely they could do something else to distinguish our comments from info from the Db. Just the new placement under the poster would seem sufficient.

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@bdreoes: I think my thought process was "we need to pick our battles". Yeah, I would still like to see the comments not in italics so that we have the option of using it for emphasis (and film titles for those of us who like being technically correct) but I just don't see it happening. If they're deliberately taking our colours away, the formatting battle seems lost already. The focus should be pushing IMDb to get lists back to a working state unfortunately.

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@watchinglotsofstuff
Agreed. I had a cute idea about an hour ago, and decided not to post it because I don't want IMDb to think all these broken things are just mildly annoying.

I really wonder what kind of beta testing they did before this release. Certainly they didn't get a very diverse cross-section of list users and/or maybe not enough time. Kind of amazing when you think how many users might spread bad opinions to their social media outlets, and chip away at the reputation of the site. What killed MySpace again?

Yikes, just googled that, and the top answer at 
https://www.quora.com/Why-specifically-did-MySpace-fall-so-fast-and-so-far
is eerily relevant:
  • The site is unusable
  • They love advertisers more than they love users
  • Why fix it if it's making money
Well, better stop cluttering people's inboxes now.
Time to go watch my next non-gory 30s musical.

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I believe we have quite different tastes. ;)

I don't mind at all. I'm actually enjoying this whole thread. It's rare that I get the chance to actually talk to other list-makers. I talk to other extreme film fans all the time due to the nature of my list. People contact me almost every week about that. But I never get the chance to hear what other people think about IMDb's list tools.

There are certainly parallels with MySpace. I knew the Amazon buy-out was a death knell for IMDb. I just continued on as usual and hoped for the best.

I had exactly the same thought. The >1000 item glitch (as we'll call it) smacks of them not bothering to test this particular use case. They could've consulted people like me who have massive, popular lists as well as people who make lots of different lists (i.e. enthusiasts of the technology itself). They would've received loads of useful feedback that they could've taken on board before making sweeping changes and then turning around and asking "is this okay, guys?". It's easier to engineer a system for your users than it is to assume what they want* and then try to backport and retrofit fixes when they inevitably complain. Also, hire some testers for the love of god. Like I said, they should be paying you.

*Edit: actually even this might be overly generous.

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4 y ago

Bring back compact view. Why remove it anyway? What harm did it do? Senseless change for changes sake.

Add my rating to exported lists. A most needed feature.

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Karen posted a message they're working on bringing back the ratings to exported lists.

Re: compact mode. I still miss it despite Dan Dassow's genius revelation that we can modify the URL from a search to show any title list, not just our own, in the Advance Search's compact mode:

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&view=simple&sort=release_date,asc&lists=ls020853190

Thing I miss: the fact that you could mouseover the comments box. A list that I'm working from now has notes about some of the films, which I don't see in the ATS version of compact, nor on the title page (of course). Plus, who wants to search for a bookmark every time you get to a page you want to compress.

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how can we apply this to our "your rating" list ?

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You can't directly apply that url. Ratings is not a List like Watchlist, Checkins or our custom lists. That's why it's not in the box of lists to Include or Exclude. So do this instead:

Go into Advanced Title Search, http://www.imdb.com/search/title
Under Your Ratings select  Restrict to Titles I've Seen. 
On Display Options select Compact and 250 titles/page.
You'll get this url
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=250&my_ratings=restrict&sort=my_ratings&view=simp...
And as Col loves to point out, you can bookmark this url, or any you create in ATS.

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thx

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4 y ago

They don't even answer to the fact that with the changes on the lists there is no way to see a list with an accurate IMDb rating order anymore. The movies with the same rating number are appearing in popularity order, a fact that ruins the meaning of sorting a list in IMDb rating order and misleads the users who will think that they are seeing an accurate rating order. Why don't you ruin the alphabetical order too? All the movies beggining with A will appear in popularity order and so on, so on...

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They don't seem quick to answer anyone. 

Frankly, I've run into so many films with inflated/deflated ratings that seem like deliberate campaigns were launched, that I pay less attention to that number all the time. But I respect your desire for integrity: if it says it's sorting by ratings, it should do that.

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4 y ago

I don't even know why I'm here. I just like complaining I guess. Plus, I've never really had a conversation with other list-makers before so it's kinda cool to talk to people with a similar niche hobby.

I'm personally invested in my list but not in IMDb as a platform. When it stops being able to fulfill my needs, I'll walk without looking back.

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4 y ago

As of yesterday, the RSS feed for lists seems to be broken.  I suspect this "upgrade" also removed that functionality.  Previously, this link (http://rss.imdb.com/user/ur81218372/watchlist?sort=date_added%2Cdesc&view=detail) would return an rss feed.  Now it returns the normal html version of the watchlist.

Not cool.  Please fix ASAP!

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Karen, I wanted to make sure you saw this ^^

Thanks!

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4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled RSS url for watchlist no longer returns RSS feed.

the RSS feed for lists seems to be broken.  I suspect this recent "upgrade" removed this functionality.  Previously, this link (http://rss.imdb.com/user/ur81218372/watchlist?sort=date_added%2Cdesc&view=detail) would return an rss feed.  Now it returns the normal html version of the watchlist.

Not cool.  Please fix ASAP!

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4 y ago

@bderoes: You're doing god's work, my friend. IMDb should be paying you. Thanks for replicating my own bug with >=1000 item lists and for formally demonstrating the errant behaviour of the ordering system.

I'm personally not going to update my list until the reordering is fixed. At the very least "fixed" in the sense that its behaviour is perceptibly deterministic. All this undefined behaviour is making me nervous. I'm worried that there's the potential for overwriting or accidental deletion, especially with these odd numbers appearing all over the place. The first time the "2 of 2 pages" glitch appeared, I was freaking out about the possibility of everything else having been lost somehow.

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4 y ago

Letterboxd actually looks pretty awesome for list-making. I'm sure I'll find some things I don't like about it when I get down to really using it but I'm definitely making a copy of my list over there. They even have rankings for list popularity, which I always wanted on IMDb.

I don't know about the future of my list on IMDb but Letterboxd looks like a fine potential replacement for anyone who's interested.


Never mind. After further exploration, the community seems a bit too "millennial" for my liking. By which I mean they make me want to do terrible things to myself.

Any site where this is a top-rated review is not a site I want to be a part of:
doctor: you have two hours to liv—
me: [pushing dvd drive closed]
doctor: wait,
me: [clicks “commentary with the cast” ON]

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Well, you could be part of the evolution of the site.

Since they offer to import list data from other sites, I tried a short file. It did NOT import the comments. It's certainly a timesaver to have the titles selected, but why they wouldn't also import the comments is beyond me.

The free version is very limited in functionality (no advanced search). Didn't find a trial option to see what the paid memberships do. Not enough information on each film (I mostly care about old films). As someone who pines for our old compact view, the poster tiles orientation doesn't appeal to me.

Yeah, I'll pass. The page on data importing mentioned a couple of other sites. But I'd rather invest my time here.

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I doubt they would have more than half of the films on my list in their database. I doubt there's much of a push for it either. The community seems very focused on the latest blockbuster releases, which suits neither of us. Hell, even IMDb doesn't have some of the films on my list.

That's the major advantage of IMDb: whatever the corporate side does, they still have one damn good database, especially for people with niche interests. It would be hard for anyone else to compete on that basis. I think I've made my mind up that my choice is between continuing to work with IMDb and rolling my own solution. I'm lazy so if IMDb makes it comfortable to do the former, that's what I'll do. It all depends on the outcome of this thread.