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Live Poll: The Ultimate Cinematic Sequence

Watching movies often is a matter of personal taste. But sometimes a real intense sequence in a movie has taken the breath of a wide audience. The IMDb Poll Board users are asked to find out what would have been the ultimate Sequence in a close to perfect - or simply perfect - movie.

So the rules are:
The movie should be rated by more than 50.000 (debateable) users.
The rating should be 8.0/10 or higher. (exact rating border debateable)
The sequence should be a very intense visualized sequence of image, sound and storytelling.
One user can only pick one sequence to suggest.
The user will be mentioned in the option ("Suggested by ...")
If someone has chosen exactly the option you would have suggested, agree and join the "Suggested by ..."-Line. But just on one option. Not two or more agrees.
The sequence should be exemplary for best cinematic entertainment in anyway.

The list is here:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045846621/

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2 years ago

An interesting idea Breu.

FYC: The scene in which Derek stomps the head of one of the thief on the curb (from American History X)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120586/...

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Hi, Ibrahim.
This time it's not about scenes, it's about whole sequences. Just the scene is to less. I count it as 'The home burglary with following self-justice', then it's a sequence.

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Done. Thank you for contributing. :D

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2 years ago

I'm taking the 50.000 user ratings rule down for movies that were made before 1970.
For 1970's and later it's still 50.000
For movies made earlier than 1970 it's ...
15.000 now.

Sorry, I forgot - I've set the rule earlier.

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2 years ago

I understand you wanted voters to make their decision easily by adding only popular films. But that makes poll board's job really hard. :D
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I have apocalypse now final sequence in mind. (Not till the end) It starts with the scene Kurtz  visiting Willard's cell and ends with death scene of Kurtz. This may not be my final choice though.

(BTW, my vote goes to baptism sequence in Godfather no matter what my suggestion is.)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/mediaviewer/rm4198414592

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I take this as agreement to the 'The Godfather'-scene. So you won't really put 'Apocalypse Now' into the race. Ok by me.

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Done.

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2 years ago

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Thank you, Ed.
I think of rounding it out to ten choices. Maybe it's the best. I hoped, there would be more users suggesting elitist sequences. I struggle with changing the definition to 'One user may suggest three examples'. I wanted to avoid, that just three users pick all the content on that poll suggestion. But I realize, that there seem to be no more who want to suggest, than that few users. Since I suggested it that way, no single poll of me got online. I think, I had good ideas. But maybe they're not interesting enough. I'm going to see that movie you suggested. For the claim of trying to create a elitist kind of poll suggestion, I have to. So please wait some Time, till I saw it. It may take some time. If I think it would fit to the suggestion, I'll put it on the list, immediately after I saw it.
So thank you for suggesting. I'm taking it to my consideration.

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Thank you for sugessting. I'll put it to the list, even though I think the movie is very unrealistic from the more modern point of view today. The acting and the first 2/3 part of the story is really good for the time, the movie was released. But film it today with the same writing and nowerdays actors, it will flop for sure - even if you would cast highly acclaimed actors. In the sixties it might be, that it catched the masses.
 With more knowlegde in the masses, it weakens strongly.

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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.

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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.

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2 years ago

I'd love to suggest one, but my scenes are from movies rated 6-7 or less.  :)

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2 years ago

Okay, I think I found one that qualifies.  Avengers: Infinity War Scene at the end where everyone disappears.  

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Hello, NIA.

Yes, that sequence fits the rules of the poll. Sorry for reacting so late. I had to work. Thank you for your patience. :D

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That's fine!  Thank you!  :)

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Breu,

if my suggestion below doesn't qualify, I "second" this one (assuming Narni doesn't mind.)

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2 years ago

8.0 is a really high bar. My suggestion would be from a film with a 94 Metacritic score but it's not your average movie-goer's standard fare so its IMDb rating is 7.6, which is high, just lower than critics' assessment. Generally, for poll board suggestions, 7.0 is the standard. Sometimes I go lower but 7 is the norm. 

I could choose another scene from a movie that has an 8.0 ('Mystic River') but is a lesser movie than my first choice, in my opinion (and critics,' actually, as well) and the scene is great almost entirely because of the acting (Sean Penn), whereas my first choice fits your guidelines better because it has more elements that are operating on a high level. So is a 7.6 ok? 

I like this idea, by the way. : )

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high ruby. :D

The high bar of 8.0/10 and 50.000 ratings for after 1970s productions and 15.000 ratings for pre 1970s productions is chosen exactly to fit for the idea. I know it's a high bar to jump, but I want the users to think of really ultimate sequences. This poll does not belong to the most intense scene poll series. This is a stand- alone-poll. What I want is, that users think what is the most elitist sequence they saw and then check, if it fits for the rules. If I set the rules too low, there were too many suggestions that lowered the terms ultimate and cinematic. I ask for nothing less than the cream of the cream. and there are many, many, many feature films that grabbed 8.0/10. Very much more than the top 250 of IMDb reveals.

But I also know, that there are a few users around, who would give 10, 15 suggestions. So I also limited it to only one suggestion per user. I do that to keep a little more diversity. So if it takes time to get 20 maybe 25 suggestions, I'll wait that time. Many good things take time. NIA just gave me a cinematic suggestion, that was mindblowing for many fans that saw the movie on the big screen.

I started with a sequence of 'The Good, The Bad & The Ugly', so my suggestion stands. I could have chosen 'Drishyam' as well, but I've chosen this one.

Greetings. :D

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P.S.:
ruby, I've put in some more black guys in the 'Cool Blokes in Favored Roles' list. What do you think about? Is that list black enough? We still have a little lee-way.
(I hope "lee-way" is the correct set phrase. I tried hard to get a correct translation for the german phrase "Spielraum" on google.) ;D

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LOL... I have no idea how to spell lee-way!  :D
Just looked it up... It's typed leeway, so no dash.  :)

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I just disagree that a high IMDb score is indicative of "cream of the cream." 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' for example, is a mediocre film but it's an intentional crowd pleaser that was also widely released so it has a high IMDb score. Critics, on the other hand, see a lot more films than the average non-critic: like any connoisseur, they've had creme brûlée so aren't that impressed with mass produced cookies from a box. The film I'm thinking of is my favorite film, has a 94 Metacritic score, but is too ahead of it's time, quite frankly, for mass audiences. That it has a 7.6 is actually surprising (I always expected it to be lower) but the median score is a good bit higher. It's weighted mean, however, is representative of the fact that most people who saw it (in its limited release) gave it 8s, 9s, and 10s, but the second most common scores were 3s and 4s. 

So I was choosing what I consider to be the best. You and I just probably disagree about what rating is most indicative of quality. IMDb scores are far superior markers than the Box Office, for certain, but critics from esteemed publications are, to me, higher markers, still. 

That said, I completely respect your inclusion criteria and will go with the sequence that is from a film that meets those guidelines, which is 'Mystic River:' The sequence is Sean Penn's performance when he gets past the police and close to the crime scene and realizes that his daughter is dead. It's more performance based than what would be my first choice and I could probably think of other sequences that are more complete than performance-dominated but still meet the inclusion criteria so I'll think on it. 

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Well creme brûlée gets an 2/10 from me. For caviar on egg I'm willing to give a 8/10  What you say leads the FYC-thing of targeting a x/10 to ad absurdum. Why should I put that rule to any poll suggestion, if it negates itself by the users who rate dumb? No, the more users rate a movie and the more they give a big voting the more the factor grows, that I would watch it. Why woud IMDb create a rating-system for dumb users that are not so clever like these highly acclaimed critics?

I don't give a pie on critics. If IMDb was invented earlier - maybe the 60's or 50's - I guess Alfred Hitchcock would have earned a few oscars before he died. But it's always the same. Many critics are not clever, they need a job. I don't need a critic to know if my steak is ok, I taste it myself. If a critic has the same taste like me, what was formerly proven by only a few critics in past times, I tend to try what he judges for good. If I formerly found that a critic had not the same taste, he has bad chances to get my ear. There might be 2 or three critics I would trust. If all people around tell me to watch a special (new) movie, I'm temped to watch it. That doesn't happen often.

The most movies that I try I've selected on different ways. Critics are only a very little part of it. For someone who is sure about his taste, there are many other factors for choosing a movie. IMDb's rating is also a little part, but not the first one for me. It's more like checkin' what some people think about it. If there are 200 votings, it's still poor luck. If there rated 20.000 people, the result is more meaningful.

At first I watch a trailer or at least I search for a trailer of the movie, when I got a recommendation from outside. If the trailer gets me - and after 4000+ movies it needs a little to get me. Most trailers of cheaper productions" tell the whole story". If it doesn't get me, I might skip it. When someone of friends or coleagues is hot about it, it might trigger me. That also depends on his former recommendations. My most ratings are 7/10. That comes from my own preliminary selection of the movies I try. It's not my intention to watch the most boring or awkward movies I can find. So I got a little practice to find my special cup of meat. If I feel that the images of a trailer look cheap, but the content seem interesting, the movie might have a chance by me. Sometimes I realize that I was wrong. Then the movie gets a bad rating by me.

Sure - If there is a "serious" drama which is rated 3/10 by 2000 people, I sure won't watch it. I don't have time for crap. A horror movie with a 5/10 can even be fun, if it's intended b*llshit like e.g. 'Piranha 3D' (2010). But with this suggestion I want to get the cream of the cream by giving as many as can different users a chance to present "their" highest cinematic pleasure. I understand your intention. You want to promote your cup of meat. But if I do it this way, soon there will be a big flood of second row movies like the also wonderful 'Stranger Than Fiction', which then stand next to 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' or '2001' or 'Interstellar'.

The only way to suppress such a flood, which dangers my suggestion idea to be useless, I have to be hard. So 8.0/10 is a hard, but fair rule to also find a few hundred movies, other people might have seen. To enable older movies, which are not so popular, I allready lowered the score to 15.000 for movies made before 1970. If I don't get anymore options, then it is like it is. It doesn't have to be a poll, if the idea weakens. ;)

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5 months ago

Any further ideas from new participants? If not, I'll consider this to be
"Ready to go" - even though I was aiming for 20 to 25 sugs. (In the border of the rules)