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Live Poll: The Ultimate Cinematic Sequence

Watching movies often is a matter of personal taste. But sometimes a real intense sequence in a movie has taken the breath of a wide audience. The IMDb Poll Board users are asked to find out what would have been the ultimate Sequence in a close to perfect - or simply perfect - movie.

So the rules are:
The movie should be rated by more than 50.000 (debateable) users.
The rating should be 8.0/10 or higher. (exact rating border debateable)
The sequence should be a very intense visualized sequence of image, sound and storytelling.
One user can only pick one sequence to suggest.
The user will be mentioned in the option ("Suggested by ...")
If someone has chosen exactly the option you would have suggested, agree and join the "Suggested by ..."-Line. But just on one option. Not two or more agrees.
The sequence should be exemplary for best cinematic entertainment in anyway.

The list is here:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045846621/

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Thank you, Ed.
I think of rounding it out to ten choices. Maybe it's the best. I hoped, there would be more users suggesting elitist sequences. I struggle with changing the definition to 'One user may suggest three examples'. I wanted to avoid, that just three users pick all the content on that poll suggestion. But I realize, that there seem to be no more who want to suggest, than that few users. Since I suggested it that way, no single poll of me got online. I think, I had good ideas. But maybe they're not interesting enough. I'm going to see that movie you suggested. For the claim of trying to create a elitist kind of poll suggestion, I have to. So please wait some Time, till I saw it. It may take some time. If I think it would fit to the suggestion, I'll put it on the list, immediately after I saw it.
So thank you for suggesting. I'm taking it to my consideration.

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Thank you for sugessting. I'll put it to the list, even though I think the movie is very unrealistic from the more modern point of view today. The acting and the first 2/3 part of the story is really good for the time, the movie was released. But film it today with the same writing and nowerdays actors, it will flop for sure - even if you would cast highly acclaimed actors. In the sixties it might be, that it catched the masses.
 With more knowlegde in the masses, it weakens strongly.

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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.

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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.

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I'd love to suggest one, but my scenes are from movies rated 6-7 or less.  :)

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3 y ago

Okay, I think I found one that qualifies.  Avengers: Infinity War Scene at the end where everyone disappears.  

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Hello, NIA.

Yes, that sequence fits the rules of the poll. Sorry for reacting so late. I had to work. Thank you for your patience. :D

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That's fine!  Thank you!  :)

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3 y ago

8.0 is a really high bar. My suggestion would be from a film with a 94 Metacritic score but it's not your average movie-goer's standard fare so its IMDb rating is 7.6, which is high, just lower than critics' assessment. Generally, for poll board suggestions, 7.0 is the standard. Sometimes I go lower but 7 is the norm. 

I could choose another scene from a movie that has an 8.0 ('Mystic River') but is a lesser movie than my first choice, in my opinion (and critics,' actually, as well) and the scene is great almost entirely because of the acting (Sean Penn), whereas my first choice fits your guidelines better because it has more elements that are operating on a high level. So is a 7.6 ok? 

I like this idea, by the way. : )

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high ruby. :D

The high bar of 8.0/10 and 50.000 ratings for after 1970s productions and 15.000 ratings for pre 1970s productions is chosen exactly to fit for the idea. I know it's a high bar to jump, but I want the users to think of really ultimate sequences. This poll does not belong to the most intense scene poll series. This is a stand- alone-poll. What I want is, that users think what is the most elitist sequence they saw and then check, if it fits for the rules. If I set the rules too low, there were too many suggestions that lowered the terms ultimate and cinematic. I ask for nothing less than the cream of the cream. and there are many, many, many feature films that grabbed 8.0/10. Very much more than the top 250 of IMDb reveals.

But I also know, that there are a few users around, who would give 10, 15 suggestions. So I also limited it to only one suggestion per user. I do that to keep a little more diversity. So if it takes time to get 20 maybe 25 suggestions, I'll wait that time. Many good things take time. NIA just gave me a cinematic suggestion, that was mindblowing for many fans that saw the movie on the big screen.

I started with a sequence of 'The Good, The Bad & The Ugly', so my suggestion stands. I could have chosen 'Drishyam' as well, but I've chosen this one.

Greetings. :D

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P.S.:
ruby, I've put in some more black guys in the 'Cool Blokes in Favored Roles' list. What do you think about? Is that list black enough? We still have a little lee-way.
(I hope "lee-way" is the correct set phrase. I tried hard to get a correct translation for the german phrase "Spielraum" on google.) ;D

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LOL... I have no idea how to spell lee-way!  :D
Just looked it up... It's typed leeway, so no dash.  :)

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I just disagree that a high IMDb score is indicative of "cream of the cream." 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' for example, is a mediocre film but it's an intentional crowd pleaser that was also widely released so it has a high IMDb score. Critics, on the other hand, see a lot more films than the average non-critic: like any connoisseur, they've had creme brûlée so aren't that impressed with mass produced cookies from a box. The film I'm thinking of is my favorite film, has a 94 Metacritic score, but is too ahead of it's time, quite frankly, for mass audiences. That it has a 7.6 is actually surprising (I always expected it to be lower) but the median score is a good bit higher. It's weighted mean, however, is representative of the fact that most people who saw it (in its limited release) gave it 8s, 9s, and 10s, but the second most common scores were 3s and 4s. 

So I was choosing what I consider to be the best. You and I just probably disagree about what rating is most indicative of quality. IMDb scores are far superior markers than the Box Office, for certain, but critics from esteemed publications are, to me, higher markers, still. 

That said, I completely respect your inclusion criteria and will go with the sequence that is from a film that meets those guidelines, which is 'Mystic River:' The sequence is Sean Penn's performance when he gets past the police and close to the crime scene and realizes that his daughter is dead. It's more performance based than what would be my first choice and I could probably think of other sequences that are more complete than performance-dominated but still meet the inclusion criteria so I'll think on it. 

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Well creme brûlée gets an 2/10 from me. For caviar on egg I'm willing to give a 8/10  What you say leads the FYC-thing of targeting a x/10 to ad absurdum. Why should I put that rule to any poll suggestion, if it negates itself by the users who rate dumb? No, the more users rate a movie and the more they give a big voting the more the factor grows, that I would watch it. Why woud IMDb create a rating-system for dumb users that are not so clever like these highly acclaimed critics?

I don't give a pie on critics. If IMDb was invented earlier - maybe the 60's or 50's - I guess Alfred Hitchcock would have earned a few oscars before he died. But it's always the same. Many critics are not clever, they need a job. I don't need a critic to know if my steak is ok, I taste it myself. If a critic has the same taste like me, what was formerly proven by only a few critics in past times, I tend to try what he judges for good. If I formerly found that a critic had not the same taste, he has bad chances to get my ear. There might be 2 or three critics I would trust. If all people around tell me to watch a special (new) movie, I'm temped to watch it. That doesn't happen often.

The most movies that I try I've selected on different ways. Critics are only a very little part of it. For someone who is sure about his taste, there are many other factors for choosing a movie. IMDb's rating is also a little part, but not the first one for me. It's more like checkin' what some people think about it. If there are 200 votings, it's still poor luck. If there rated 20.000 people, the result is more meaningful.

At first I watch a trailer or at least I search for a trailer of the movie, when I got a recommendation from outside. If the trailer gets me - and after 4000+ movies it needs a little to get me. Most trailers of cheaper productions" tell the whole story". If it doesn't get me, I might skip it. When someone of friends or coleagues is hot about it, it might trigger me. That also depends on his former recommendations. My most ratings are 7/10. That comes from my own preliminary selection of the movies I try. It's not my intention to watch the most boring or awkward movies I can find. So I got a little practice to find my special cup of meat. If I feel that the images of a trailer look cheap, but the content seem interesting, the movie might have a chance by me. Sometimes I realize that I was wrong. Then the movie gets a bad rating by me.

Sure - If there is a "serious" drama which is rated 3/10 by 2000 people, I sure won't watch it. I don't have time for crap. A horror movie with a 5/10 can even be fun, if it's intended b*llshit like e.g. 'Piranha 3D' (2010). But with this suggestion I want to get the cream of the cream by giving as many as can different users a chance to present "their" highest cinematic pleasure. I understand your intention. You want to promote your cup of meat. But if I do it this way, soon there will be a big flood of second row movies like the also wonderful 'Stranger Than Fiction', which then stand next to 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' or '2001' or 'Interstellar'.

The only way to suppress such a flood, which dangers my suggestion idea to be useless, I have to be hard. So 8.0/10 is a hard, but fair rule to also find a few hundred movies, other people might have seen. To enable older movies, which are not so popular, I allready lowered the score to 15.000 for movies made before 1970. If I don't get anymore options, then it is like it is. It doesn't have to be a poll, if the idea weakens. ;)

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Any further ideas from new participants? If not, I'll consider this to be
"Ready to go" - even though I was aiming for 20 to 25 sugs. (In the border of the rules)

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I had two suggestions, but one is 0.1 short of the 8.0 minimum, and other is far away from the 50,000 minimum.
I'll go for my third option https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2582802/mediaviewer/rm2999023616, the final concert in Whiplash, which was also breathtaking.

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Thank you, pencho.
I've put your suggestion on the list.

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For me it's the Highway Battle in Transformers: Dark of the Moon. The kinetic action piece with its pounding music really got things intense. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ihIA2re50

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I did like the Transformer's movie series, but as I told anyone here - it has to be measured on two main and some supporting criteria. The first main criterion is a rating on IMDb of 8.0/10 or higher. The second main criterion is that more than 50.000 people rated it. In that case, the most necessary criterion is not fulfilled. It has a rating of 6.2/10, so I clearly have to say: No!


But Leo, maybe you find another good sequence, that matches the criteria. :)

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This is a wonderful suggestion. I'll put it on the list. :)

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2 y ago

I've got many suggestions but since there's a limit, I don't know what to choose.

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Bo:
Do you want me to add the ending sequence of The Dark Knight?
That was your number 1 suggestion, right?

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It's VERY tough to decide.

I think I'd go with the 'Once Upon a Time in the West' sequence.

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Sup, folks! (those who haven't suggested yet)

Since I can't suggest more than one, please claim and add your name to these:

Note to author and reader: All of these sequences may not qualify. [ **SPOILER ALERT** ]

1. 'The Dark Knight' - ending sequence
Christian Bale in The Dark Knight 2008
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/mediaviewer/rm1409260289

2. 'Pulp Fiction' - the whole apartment sequences
Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction 1994
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/mediaviewer/rm3998665728

3. 'Se7en' - "What's in the box"
Brad Pitt in Se7en 1995
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114369/mediaviewer/rm2491004929

4. 'Joker' - Arthur's confession
Joaquin Phoenix in Joker 2019
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7286456/mediaviewer/rm4113530881

5. 'Gladiator' - "My name is Maximum" sequence
Russell Crowe in Gladiator 2000
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/mediaviewer/rm461472768

6. 'Once Upon a Time in the West' - past story revelation
Henry Fonda and Claudio Mancini in Cera una volta il West 1968
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064116/mediaviewer/rm4112275968

7. 'The Departed' - the rooftop and elevator sequence, when they finally meet
Image: -/- (sorry couldn't find an HD image)

8.'Dangal' - the last game sequence
Fatima Sana Shaikh in Dangal 2016
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5074352/mediaviewer/rm1085239552

8. 'Django Unchained' - the handshake sequence 
- Image: -/- (sorry couldn't find an image of that particular scene)

9. 'Oldboy' - the end sequence: when he reveals who he is and what's the relationship between that girl and Dae-su Oh
- Image: -/- (sorry the image(s) contains heavy spoilers)

10. 'The Shining' - Grady sequence
Philip Stone in The Shining 1980
- Image: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/mediaviewer/rm4244003328
- There are many other sequences from 'The Shining'

I hope at least one of these qualify, lol.

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Bo:
Normally I would say thank you, but it destroys my idea. I wanted the people to make their own thoughts on the issue and let bring only 1 thought by 1 user.  I know it's easy to use given ideas. And you may have a few thousend ideas. But that wasn't the core of the idea of the poll, I stated that before.  The users should think on their own ultimate sequence to choose one them they experienced. :( Maybe it's the lack of my conversation skills. :(

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Oswald: how low should I take the barriers? One comes with 0.2, another with 0.4 the says why not, I'm only 0.6 below. Maybe the next says then 7.4 was taken, why not my 7.0? Did you read the title exactly? It says the ultimate sequence. And for granting that it's ultimate, I've put the barrs high, yes! Otherwise this idea wouldn't do. Look, there are 14 people who found sequences that match the criteria. You won't tell me now, that you won't find any other ultimate sequence on yourself. Stomping on the ground doesn't help.

Ok, I tell you (Quote):
The rating should be 8.0/10 or higher. (exact rating border debateable)
EoQ.

When I wrote that I didn't mean, it can be lower. I thought that the border can be higher, if wanted. You don't have to be mean, if you don't get the idea. Your IMDb-user is NVanKerr, right?
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/poll-suggestion-face-off-blindspot-big-bads
(look at the list, user)
You already got one suggestion on the list. Do you want to change it?

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Ok, I take this as a yes. So?

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And what the hell has the qoute you've put out of your hat to do with this poll idea? I can't remember to ever have recieved such words from her. Please don't abuse her Quotes on me. The quote you mention has got nothing to do with me. If the poll doesn't go online, then it doesn't. But I don't change my mind, especially not if someone tries to use rude behavior like that on me.

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And what the hell has the qoute you've put out of your hat to do with this poll idea? I can't remember to ever have recieved such words from her. Please don't abuse her Quotes on me. The quote you mention has got nothing to do with me. If the poll doesn't go online, then it doesn't. But I don't change my mind, especially not if someone tries to use rude behavior like that on me.

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Hi, Oswald. If what you've stated about a particular admin is true, then that's useful information. Thanks! There is still the problem of not being able to get the other side of the story, without a full investigation, which nobody on here has sufficient resources (and time) to conduct. Let us just hope that this person's behavior (according to conjecture) improves. That's the best we an hope for, since finding somebody to fill the vacancy in the event of a vacancy being somehow created might be really hard to do. Also, as you know, it is unruly to go around here calling fellow participants of the forum out of their respective preferred names/handles, so it might be great to tone down the contemptuousness.

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Oswald,

You are providing misleading and false information about Ruby. Please be more careful when choosing your words.

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I didn't mean the quote (which by the way is completely irrelevant to this poll).
And you rejected someone else's for being 0.4 stars below the threshold - who is a poll board admin who pu**y-hat blocks any polls where she does not get her way.
This poll will _never_ go live until and unless tootie-fruit gets her 7.6. 
You are making it sound like she would prevent this poll from going live if Breu doesn't add her suggestion.

She was just expressing an opinion, and here is something else she said on page 1 of this thread:

"That said, I completely respect your inclusion criteria and will go with the sequence that is from a film that meets those guidelines"

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How is it even possible for somebody who is not IMDb staff to block a poll from going live? If it is possible, then how could we be sure that somebody who fits the criterion has not, does not and, more importantly, would not commit such a blocking? I confess that I do not really know anybody around here very well, but I have observed some suspicious behaviors (or mere sentiments) by just about anybody who has here had public complaints lodged against him or her. That being stated, there are a number of champions whom I have never observed any complaints against whatsoever.

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2 y ago

Let me suggest a classic, the "mirage" scene from Lawrence of Arabia.

 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056172/mediaviewer/rm11678464

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Peter:
Thank you, I'll put it on the list.

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I think the problem is the rules: "rating should be 8.0 or higher" eliminates many great movies, and also many more mediocre / bad movies that have great cinematic sequences. With "8.0 or more", you're left with only a handful of truly great films, plus a lot of Dark Knights, Avengers, etc. Fan favorites but nothing special, really.

The first one that comes to my mind is the chase scene, the greatest chase scene IMO, from The French Connection with 7.7. Another one is from Evil Dead 2, with its 7.8 rating. When I first saw it I thought it was the greatest scene I ever saw, and many years later it still looks tremendous: The unseen spirit following the hero through the trees, through the windows of a car, and through many rooms of a house, and finally pulling back to the starting point, in a single continuous scene.

We should not forget the scene starting with Michael Keaton getting locked out of his own theater play in the middle of the performance, then walking around the whole building in his underwear to get back to the play, in the 7.7-rated (proof that most people either don't understand cinema, or have very poor taste) Birdman. This scene itself was worthy of the Oscar.

Or how about the opening sequence of Aguirre, the Wrath of God?

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I must admit, that there is some truth in it. The mere problem is exact what you say. First I thought about the top250-list and their best scenes. But there were so many top-250-list-suggestions at that time, that I wanted to include some more than only the top-250-list suggestion. But not too low. And that's the problem.

Let's say 7.8. The next says come on 7.7. Ok, lets do 7.7. The next says come on 7.5. Ok, we do 7.5 the next comes and says why not 7.2 and so on and so on. Until the list shows a sequence from a dull and boring movies, because they match the criteria with a user-given average 7.0/10

With 8.0 there might be still a few hundrets or maybe thousends of worthy movies listed on IMDb. If someone has good ideas to change the criteria in a way that it's a good sequence of a good movie (granted), we can talk about. But I don't want cheap sequences in that suggestion, that I have to only put on the list, because they match the (too low) criteria. That would also destroy the idea. Maybe the idea really is not viable, because of how you say Qoute: "(proof that most people either don't understand cinema, or have very poor taste)".

I don't like Kinski on a honoring list, because according to news, he seems to have abused his kids,  but I learned that for some users it's ok to put him on a list. What should I think about that? I don't like him, even though he seemed to be an acting genius to many people. This is a honring list. We honor our ultimate cinematic sequences, when we give that poll a chance.

Back to the main issue:
What should be the average rating? How high or low should it be to grant good sequences? Please everybody give me your ideas. Maybe this can be a good idea of all users with constructive ideas. I stay with the suggesters, who already gave their suggestion, they stay on the list. I would only change their option, if they want to. Sory for my lack of comunication skills. I hope everyone understood the core of the idea. I'll trust your measurement.

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... good sequences ... ultimate sequences

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... grant good sequences? ... grant ultimate sequences?

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Sorry, I can't edit my texts, even though there was no like or other comment.

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If you're asking me, I'd say "don't put a limit on the rating of the suggested movies." Ratings may (or may not) give you an idea about whether the film is great or not. But for a "great / ultimate cinematic sequence" ratings aren't that relevant: like I said, a mediocre / bad movie may have a sequence that's much better than the rest of the movie. (In fact there was a topic/poll idea about this a couple of days ago, "bad movies that start off great" or something like that.) That's just my opinion, of course.

The Kinski thing is a whole other debate, and could go on much longer, and I'm not sure it belongs on this topic. But since you asked: I admire Kinski as an actor, but I also agree that he should have been burned to death for what he did.

Now that brings up a dilemma: Do we (as a society, not just movie lovers) disown artists who we discover to be perverts?

1 ) Do we disown Woody Allen, for instance? If we do, do we also disown his work? Does being a pervert make him less of an artist, or a genius? Do his movies don't count anymore?

2 ) Do we disown Clint Eastwood? According to his late wife Sondra Locke's book, he literally forced her to have an abortion, from which she never recovered mentally. Is this also not terrible behavior? I'm not arguing whether it's a crime or not, but is it not at least (in the most carefully chosen expression) bastardly behavior? To force and press a woman to have an abortion that she doesn't really want?

3 ) What if we disown Clint Eastwood, for instance, and disown all his work, but later find out that his late wife's memoirs were simply lies? Because this thing was not a court-proven thing like the Bill Cosby case, it's just one side's words against another's.

4 ) What is and is not "disownable" behavior, for lack of a better term? Is there a clear-cut line? Do we disown people proven to have slept with minors for instance, but act more lenient towards people who have merely cheated on their spouses? Drank and beaten their wives? Beaten their kids? Evaded tax? Do we play favorites when it comes to famous people's behaviors, as if to say "I can forgive this and this, but I draw the line at that one"?

5 ) What about people who are just as much of a pervert as some of the names above, but simply haven't been caught? If our favorite stars one day turn out to be perverts, are we ready to turn our backs on them? Burn our DVD sets, vow to never watch their movies again?

6 ) Anyway, are we (as movie lovers) in a position to disown anyone at all? If it's a matter for the courts, and the person is rightfully punished for whatever he did, shouldn't that be the extent of it? If your plumber goes to prison for abusing his wife, do you also say "he was a worthless plumber anyway, nothing he did ever worked!" ?

I'm not expecting any answers to these questions, I don't have answers myself. Just trying to point out that this isn't a simple issue. Even the proven, concrete cases aren't so clear: Sleeping with a 17-year old isn't the same as sleeping with a 10-year old, although they're both covered under the same name.

Kinski? His daughter was accusing him of abuse even when he was alive. He's a first rate scumbag, who makes me sick even at the mention of his name. But he was also a first-rate actor. Not really the "genius" that people make him out to be, as you mentioned, but certainly one of the greats of his art. I try to make that distinction as well as I can.

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Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/1CmagF4mSlw/

 

Congratulations Breu.

 

Please update the thread category to praise to reflect this is a live poll.

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Thank you, guys.

I expected it some time later. I hope there will be some further suggestion, while it's live. :D