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Sat, May 9, 2020 2:36 AM

Live Poll: Heroes Don't Always Die in Hero

Which of these non-heroics deaths of a good-doer or hero is your favorite?

Spoiler Ahead!!

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098121583/

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/_Cnhaysu95g/



Suggestion needed!!!

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Not too sure that his death was unheroic, he has death similar to William Wallace, it expected/touching. I think that they filmed in a way that remains heroic, throughout he remains calmer than Tom Hanks' character, for me that is a heroic death.

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and maybe:  
Jon Snow - game of thrones . . . ??
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I will include him but specify that he got resurrected.

So far the list is not even half full so I will accept TV deaths. However, if the list hits 35 options, I will split the idea into 1 poll for movies and 1 poll for TV.
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BTW, I transformed the list to a title list, to avoid spoilers.

There is the new list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098121583/

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What do you think about Titanic???? There was space definitely!!!!  :D
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Jack died in a heroic way, he chose to save Rose.

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Ok...i still believe that there was space for both of them... ;)

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EFI, watch the movie again. It was not a question of if there was room on the raft. It was a question of could the price of wood still float supporting both of their weight. The answer was no. It starts to sink as Jack tries to get on.

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FYC:

  1. Llewelyn Moss (Josh Brolin) in No Country for Old Men (2007)
  2. William Wallace (Mel Gibson) in Braveheart (1995)
  3. Billy (Leonardo DiCaprio) in The Departed (2006)
  4. Han Solo (Harrison Ford) in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015)
  5. Spartacus (Kirk Douglas) in Spartacus (1960)
  6. David Dunn (Bruce Willis) in Glass (2019)
  7. Professor Albus Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
  8. Professor Severus Snape (Alan Rickman) in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011)
  9. Mr. Orange (Tim Roth) in Reservoir Dogs (1992)
  10. Sirius Black (Gary Oldman) in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
  11. Héctor (Gael García Bernal) in Coco (2017)
  12. Bubba Blue (Mykelti Williamson) in Forrest Gump (1994)
  13. Dick Hallorann (Scatman Crothers) in The Shining (1980)
  14. Julian (Julianne Moore) in Children of Men (2006)
  15. Lance Corporal Blake (Dean-Charles Chapman) in 1917 (2019)
  16. Thomas Wayne (Bruce Wayne's father)
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1. Llewelyn Moss (Excluded) (Off-screen)
2. William Wallace (Excluded) (Too heroic, he died as a martyr)
3. Billy (Included, thank you)
4. Han Solo (Included, thank you)
5. Spartacus (Too heroic, he died as a martyr)
6.  David Dunn (Included, thank you)
7. Albus Dumbledore (Too heroic, he even got a slow-motion sequence, and his last words, he sacrificed for Harry)
9. Severus Snape (Included, thank you)
9. Mr. Orange (Included, thank you)
10. Sirius Black (Included, thank you)
11. Hector (How did he die??)
12. Bubba Blue (Included, thank you)
13. Dick Halloran (Included, thank you)
14. Julian (Included, thank you)
15. Lance Corporal Blake (Included, thank you)
16. Thomas Wayne (He died protecting his family in  Batman Begins, Joker and Batman (1989))

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Hector was poisoned in a flashback scene by the movie's villain who murdered him so that he could steal credit for his songs.

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He is right. It was Miguel who puts two and two together by comparing hector’s story to a movie scene that Ernesto wrote. He remembers that in the movie, it was Ernesto who makes the poisoned drink and serves it to his friend. Then Miguel asked did you make that scene up or took it from real life!
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Hector added.

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I think Han Solo (Harrison Ford) in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) - has helped his son to awake with a very heroic way, it was a sacrifice & Lance Corporal Blake (Dean-Charles Chapman) in 1917 (2019) - died in war when tried to save his brother and all his companies.....
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I rewatched the death scene in Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens and removed Han Solo's death from the list.

I removed Blake from the list too, he was trying to save his enemy when he died, I think that in its own way, it was heroic.

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FYC:
Donnie Darko (2001) is got to be one of the best deconstructions/reconstructions of heroic death ever. He goes to sleep, knowing he will be crushed to death by an aircraft engine from nowhere and yet he laughs at the irony of its all, literally at the face of death, knowing he saves the world he likes and people he loves. It's both spectecularly heroic moment and yet literally no one actually knows how much of sacrifice he made for them to live. Deeply symbolic, very thought-provoking, mesmerizing. 

And then this. Man, I love this movie. 
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But you only explained how his death is heroic. The poll is about unheroic deaths.

BTW, I like the movie too.

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cinephile,

Please correct these minor typos.

#7 Add a period.
Wyatt and Billy are randomly murdered by a couple of hillbillies
Wyatt and Billy are randomly murdered by a couple of hillbillies.


#11 Add punctuation.
Chris McCandless poisoned himself accidentally, he then starved
Chris McCandless poisoned himself accidentally; he then starved.

#14 Add a period.
Jon Snow is stabbed six times, but he got resurrected
Jon Snow is stabbed six times, but he got resurrected.

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Also:
#13: in the back
#21: in the head
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All corrected.

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I love this poll and have spent the past several days trying to decide on my vote but it just occurred to me that perhaps asking for the "favorite" death is maybe not the exactly right word? 

I don't think it's a big deal but I'm wondering if something like "Which death was the most heartbreaking to you?" would be more precisely accurate?  'Just a thought. 'Great poll either way.
 : )
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Is everyone fine with "shocking"?

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Frustrating, baffling, undeserved, disheartening, maddening, tragic, pathetic, pitiful, preposterous, absurd and anticlimactic are all words to consider.
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heartrending??

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I feel like disheartening is pretty well rounded too.

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Disheartening works well. 

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Here are some that you may think about, not sure if they are really right, but perhaps.

This one may seem like an odd thought but I was thinking perhaps Danny in American History X. He certainly wasn't a hero, or really good-doer, but he was seemingly changing his ways for the better and it was a particularly disheartening and poignant scene.

Another I was thinking was perhaps Roman in Roman J Israel Esq. Although, I'm not sure if that counts as onscreen or not.

David Dunn in Glass is one which seems to fit the category fairly well, he was a hero and really didn't have a heroic ending. I saw someone else mention it, but thought I'd show my agreement.

Just thought of another, maybe Ned in The Life Aquatic? And thinking of Bill Murray, perhaps 'Bill Murray' in Zombieland? And then again, Bill Murray and zombies, most of the characters in 'The Dead Don't Die' could fit this category.

As for Willem Dafoe (also The Life Aquatic), could Sergeant Elias’s death in Platoon fit into this category?

Just food for thought, the choice is yours. 

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I'm sorry about the layout, I just saw that I put the person before the movie, I do apologise.
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Danny Vinyard (Wasn't really a hero no a good-doer)
Roman J. Israel (I can't find a clip of his death)
David Dunn (Already in the list)
Bill Murray in Zombieland (I think that his role is too minor)
Most of the Characters in 'Death Don't Die' (Could you be more specific)
Klaus Daimler (I can't find how he died in the movie)
Elias in Platoon (It is a tragic death, but it is incredibly heroic)

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Sorry about that, I meant, in “The Life Aquatic”, Ned Plimpton’s (Owen Wilson) death.

I kind of thought because Elias was betrayed, but yeah it was really heroic.

I can see what you mean for Danny Vinyard, really wasn’t sure about that one.

In “Roman J Israel Esq.” I am sure he was shot at the end, but perhaps offscreen and I can’t find any evidence of it either, odd.

As for “The Dead Don’t Die”, there is the group of “hipsters from Cleveland”, who are seeming good doers and are really just killed, without any exact heroism. There is the motel manager and delivery driver who goes the same way. But none of these people are explicitly good-doers, so now that I think about it, the only one that may count is Mindy (Chloë Sevigny), who is a police officer who jumps into a hoard of zombies because she thinks one of them is her grandmother and then dies. The other two police officers, do die fighting off zombies, so I guess that’s too heroic.
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Roman J Israel: The man walks up behind Roman, and we hear a gun shot. Next, we see Roman's briefcase laying on the ground. It's assumed he's been shot and killed, although we don't actually see his body. (So he isn't eligible)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6000478/plotsummary

As you explained, in Death Don't Die these characters aren't really eligible.

I have watched a video of Ned Plimpton's death an I think that he is eligible, I will add him.

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Nice, glad I could help you add one eligible one, it really makes you think, especially with the offscreen part. It's an interesting list.

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I like what you came up with for the intro. I think "shocking" works well. : )
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I added disheartening.

"Which of these non-heroic deaths of a good-doer or hero is the most disheartening?"

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Rorschach's death in Watchmen could be on his list.

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@mistermann31

 

No, that is too heroic, Rorschach is the only one in the movie that stands up to the majority at the end. That is quite heroic considering that he is the weakest (physically) of them all.

 

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@cinephile Rorschach is physically arguably on the same level as Dreiberg, although (yet again, arguably) it's a combination of genius level intellect plus mental instability (both rivaling those of Ozymandias and yes, I absolutely consider the latter a dangerous madman rather than misunderstood savior) that makes him the threat of the same very level as Ozymandias. 

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@nikolay_yeriomin 

 He could have switched team like Nite Owl did when Dr. Manhattan changed his mind, but he decided to say: "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon". That makes him ineligible for the poll.

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But if he switched sides he wouldnt have died. You forget that by the time Rorschach and the others learn the true nature of Ozymandias' plans, it's already too late to stop it from happening. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre don't choose to go along with the sacrifice of millions, they decide that since it's already happened, revealing the truth to the world would mean those millions died in vain, and the world would probably end in nuclear armageddon (in their opinion). Rorschach doesn't even necessarily believe that the world won't end if he reveals the truth, he's just completely unflinching in his moral code. The one putting an inordinate amount of human life at risk at the end of the story is Rorschach, not the other characters.

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@mistermann31 

Your argument convinced me that my position is right. This poll is about UNHEROIC deaths not about heroic deaths.

No matter how you die once you have "a completely unflinching moral code", you aren't eligible for that poll.

Just before dying, Rorschach said to Dr. Manhattan: "What are you waiting for, do it, do it!" If that line isn't heroic I don't know what it is.