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Live Poll: Heroes Don't Always Die in Hero

Which of these non-heroics deaths of a good-doer or hero is your favorite?

Spoiler Ahead!!

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls098121583/

Live Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/_Cnhaysu95g/



Suggestion needed!!!

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2年前

Here are some that you may think about, not sure if they are really right, but perhaps.

This one may seem like an odd thought but I was thinking perhaps Danny in American History X. He certainly wasn't a hero, or really good-doer, but he was seemingly changing his ways for the better and it was a particularly disheartening and poignant scene.

Another I was thinking was perhaps Roman in Roman J Israel Esq. Although, I'm not sure if that counts as onscreen or not.

David Dunn in Glass is one which seems to fit the category fairly well, he was a hero and really didn't have a heroic ending. I saw someone else mention it, but thought I'd show my agreement.

Just thought of another, maybe Ned in The Life Aquatic? And thinking of Bill Murray, perhaps 'Bill Murray' in Zombieland? And then again, Bill Murray and zombies, most of the characters in 'The Dead Don't Die' could fit this category.

As for Willem Dafoe (also The Life Aquatic), could Sergeant Elias’s death in Platoon fit into this category?

Just food for thought, the choice is yours. 

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I'm sorry about the layout, I just saw that I put the person before the movie, I do apologise.
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Danny Vinyard (Wasn't really a hero no a good-doer)
Roman J. Israel (I can't find a clip of his death)
David Dunn (Already in the list)
Bill Murray in Zombieland (I think that his role is too minor)
Most of the Characters in 'Death Don't Die' (Could you be more specific)
Klaus Daimler (I can't find how he died in the movie)
Elias in Platoon (It is a tragic death, but it is incredibly heroic)

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Sorry about that, I meant, in “The Life Aquatic”, Ned Plimpton’s (Owen Wilson) death.

I kind of thought because Elias was betrayed, but yeah it was really heroic.

I can see what you mean for Danny Vinyard, really wasn’t sure about that one.

In “Roman J Israel Esq.” I am sure he was shot at the end, but perhaps offscreen and I can’t find any evidence of it either, odd.

As for “The Dead Don’t Die”, there is the group of “hipsters from Cleveland”, who are seeming good doers and are really just killed, without any exact heroism. There is the motel manager and delivery driver who goes the same way. But none of these people are explicitly good-doers, so now that I think about it, the only one that may count is Mindy (Chloë Sevigny), who is a police officer who jumps into a hoard of zombies because she thinks one of them is her grandmother and then dies. The other two police officers, do die fighting off zombies, so I guess that’s too heroic.
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Roman J Israel: The man walks up behind Roman, and we hear a gun shot. Next, we see Roman's briefcase laying on the ground. It's assumed he's been shot and killed, although we don't actually see his body. (So he isn't eligible)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6000478/plotsummary

As you explained, in Death Don't Die these characters aren't really eligible.

I have watched a video of Ned Plimpton's death an I think that he is eligible, I will add him.

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Nice, glad I could help you add one eligible one, it really makes you think, especially with the offscreen part. It's an interesting list.

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2年前

I like what you came up with for the intro. I think "shocking" works well. : )
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2年前

I added disheartening.

"Which of these non-heroic deaths of a good-doer or hero is the most disheartening?"

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2年前

Rorschach's death in Watchmen could be on his list.

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@mistermann31

 

No, that is too heroic, Rorschach is the only one in the movie that stands up to the majority at the end. That is quite heroic considering that he is the weakest (physically) of them all.

 

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@cinephile Rorschach is physically arguably on the same level as Dreiberg, although (yet again, arguably) it's a combination of genius level intellect plus mental instability (both rivaling those of Ozymandias and yes, I absolutely consider the latter a dangerous madman rather than misunderstood savior) that makes him the threat of the same very level as Ozymandias. 

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@nikolay_yeriomin 

 He could have switched team like Nite Owl did when Dr. Manhattan changed his mind, but he decided to say: "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon". That makes him ineligible for the poll.

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But if he switched sides he wouldnt have died. You forget that by the time Rorschach and the others learn the true nature of Ozymandias' plans, it's already too late to stop it from happening. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre don't choose to go along with the sacrifice of millions, they decide that since it's already happened, revealing the truth to the world would mean those millions died in vain, and the world would probably end in nuclear armageddon (in their opinion). Rorschach doesn't even necessarily believe that the world won't end if he reveals the truth, he's just completely unflinching in his moral code. The one putting an inordinate amount of human life at risk at the end of the story is Rorschach, not the other characters.

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@mistermann31 

Your argument convinced me that my position is right. This poll is about UNHEROIC deaths not about heroic deaths.

No matter how you die once you have "a completely unflinching moral code", you aren't eligible for that poll.

Just before dying, Rorschach said to Dr. Manhattan: "What are you waiting for, do it, do it!" If that line isn't heroic I don't know what it is.

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1年前

Added Ningen no jôken (1961)

If I could I would have added it earlier. It perfectly embodies what I meant by non-heroics deaths when I suggested the poll exactly 11 months ago.

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Want to add it and request a "re-push"?

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It has already been re-pushed.

The death of Kaji in Ningen no jôken is now the 24th option of the poll.