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Mon, Feb 26, 2018 7:27 PM

Why isn't the attribute "also archive footage" showing up?

If you look at the full cast and crew page of My Next Guest Needs No Introduction, John Lewis appears but does not have the attribute.



However, if you edit the page, you see the attribute. 

Shouldn't this show up in the normal view?

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3 years ago

Hello, Adrian. 

There were always some strange problems with that attribute. I remember that it chaotically swapped from "Cast" (where it should be due to original footage being there as well) to "archive footage" and vice versa over the years. 

Maybe in this case it was just added recently, though?  

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I added this attribute well over a month ago when the episode first aired. I just happened to look at it again today because Barack Obama still didn't have a correct order number though that problem has been fixed.

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3 years ago

Hi Adrian -

Thanks for reporting the credit display issue, I have filed a ticket for the appropriate tech team to investigate, as soon as I have an update I will let you know here.

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3 years ago

Hi Adrian -

I'm just following up here to confirm that the reason why the attribute you reported, "(also archive footage)", is not displaying on the site is because our system does not allow us to list free-text attributes for title and name page cast credits.  You can find a list of acceptable attributes in our guide here.

In this case, is there a specific reason why the attribute is listed as "(also archived footage)"?  If there is no specific reason, we can modify the attribute to just "(archive footage)" which will then  to display the attribute on the site.

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I swear that the guide used to consider "also archive footage" as a valid attribute and not a free form text.

This is a common designation that is used in documentaries where people both appear in new footage shot for the documentary but also appear in archive footage (such as newscasts). This used to show up before the redesign of the page, or else, I would have never known about it. It is distinctly different from "archive footage" because that would mean that the person would not have shot any new footage.

In this particular case, John Lewis both appears live as a guest of David Letterman and is also shown in news footage on the Edmund Pettus Bridge during "Bloody Sunday" in 1965.

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I think (also archive footage) should be one of the valid attributes for the reason Adrian explains. Also, I just checked and the attribute is currently used 7,514 times, which suggests this is indeed a useful attribute.

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Adding to what Adrian said, "(also archive footage)" was also used for live action fiction titles as well. 

Now, however I see it being removed and replaced. A few years I changed Bob Hope's "(archive footage)" credit for That Little Monster (1994) to "(also archive footage)" because he not only appears on a TV in a movie, but in some new footage which was filmed in the early stages of production as a small cameo and inserted mid-credits. It now has just "(uncredited)" for some reason. 

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3 years ago

Hi Everyone -

Thank you for all your comments and use cases for including the "also archive footage" as a valid attribute, I have filed a ticket with all your comments for the applicable team to review.

Once there is a status on this attribute I will update the information here.

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I have filed a ticket with all your comments for the applicable team to review.
Any word on this?

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Not yet, the ticket is still open with the relevant team.

Regards,
Will

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Okay, well thanks for the update.