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Thu, Feb 28, 2019 9:34 AM

Two rejections for June Foray

I submitted two uncredited credits for June Foray, and they were both rejected. I also submitted a correction for Jack Ryan, which was also rejected.

June Foray does uncredited voice work for an episode of THE PUPPY'S NEW ADVENTURES ("The Puppy's Dangerous Mission"). She voices a pseudo-Russian villainess named Sasha. Unfortunately, she is uncredited, and I can't provide any corroborating proof, and so I may have to let this one go for now. I have only my ear to confirm that June Foray is doing a variation of her voice for Natasha on THE ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SHOW.

I can, however, prove that she is the voice of Chatty Cathy in the 1962 TV ad Chatty Cathy: This Is Mattel's Family of Chatty Dolls. Any article about Chatty Cathy, and any article providing an overview of June Foray's career, will tell you that June Foray provided the voice for the talking doll, Chatty Cathy, and that her voice was heard in the commercials. Here is one article of thousands: http://extratv.com/2017/07/29/june-foray-first-lady-of-voice-acting-and-voice-of-rocky-the-squirrel-...

I also made a correction for Jack Ryan for the same TV ad. Jack Ryan was already listed as a voice; I added that he plays "Himself - Announcer" and that he is uncredited. The correction did not go through.

https://contribute.imdb.com/contribution/190227-125743-594000/
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/update?load=190227-135901-280000

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Employee

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2 years ago

Hi J -

As per our Voice credit guidelines:

They must have received an on-screen credit (i.e. no uncredited performances)

Unfortunately, if Ms. Foray was not credited on-screen for her role, her credit is not eligible to be listed.  As an alternative, you can add the uncredited voice work to her trivia and Other works section.
The same goes for the credit on Jack Ryan's voice credit, since his role as announcer is uncredited it is ineligible to be listed.

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2 years ago

I have to say, I'm amazed by this rule and didn't know it existed. A large number of credits from the likes of Mel Blanc, Paul Frees, June Foray will have to be wiped out. Almost the entire filmography of Clarence Nash (the voice of Donald Duck) is due to be routed. And all the acting credits on films such as SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS, PINOCCHIO, and BAMBI are illegitimate and can be deleted.

Unless I missed it, there is no exception to this rule for older works, where voice credits are uncommon. I can see some wisdom in the rule, since voices are trickier to identify than faces, and more likely to be identified incorrectly. But on the whole, this is a bad mistake.

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Those cases may be grandfathered, though.

495 Messages

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I pray that the old cases are grandfathered in and won't be deleted.

Champion

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2 years ago

I would point out that the guideline for voice credit says, "In order to be listed in the Cast section of the credits, actors performing voice work on a film need to fulfill these four eligibility rules:
  1. They must have received an on-screen credit (i.e. no uncredited performances) ...
We make rare exceptions to rule #1 for 'voice cameos' by high-profile actors ...."

I don't know which Jack Ryan the OP is referring to, but I would consider June Foray to be high-profile enough to let any of her uncredited voice work be listed.

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2 years ago

Fully agree with Gromit.

And this ”rule” doesn’t mean that IMDb ”will have to wipe out” old, already approved credits - or reject every uncredited ”voice” credit - just because some are not necessarily accepted. The guide already implies there are exceptions to the ”rule”.

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We need to know why this rule was put in place.

Were too many contributors making bad guesses at the identities of uncredited voices? Then IMDb should allow credits that can be corroborated by an objective source. (That means they would reject Foray's credit for THE PUPPY'S NEW ADVENTURES because no source corroborates it. But they would accept her credit for the Chatty Cathy ad because hundreds of sources corroborate it.)

Were too many actors illegitimately adding their names to projects they didn't work on? Then the credits of any established actor or any dead actor should be accepted. (That means any trusted contributor could add a credit for June Foray, Mel Blanc, Paul Frees, etc.)

Champion

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2 years ago

FYI, the rule in the submission guide is not new. Here are the old voice guidelines as seen in 2015:
https://web.archive.org/web/201504241...

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2 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Why was rule about uncredited voice actors put into place?.

We contributors have been discussing the rule against adding uncredited voice actors to the database. We're hoping to have the rule adjusted, but we need to know why the rule was put in place.

Were too many contributors making bad guesses at the identities of uncredited voices? Then IMDb should allow credits that can be corroborated by an objective source.

Were too many actors illegitimately adding their names to projects they didn't work on? Then IMDb should accept submissions for any established or dead actor.

I'm sure there's a good reason for the rule, but it's crazy that we can't add the voice credits of top-name voice actors like Mel Blanc, Paul Frees and June Foray. We're also concerned that old voice credits haven't been grandfathered in, and that the entire casts of SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937), PINOCCHIO (1940), BAMBI (1942), and thousands of animated short subjects from the early 20th century will be deleted.

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It's still good, I hope. This thread was "Problem - Acknowledged" and now it's back to "Problem."

Employee

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2 years ago

Hi All -

Thanks for all your comments and feedback regarding this policy, as mentioned by some above, we do make some exceptions to this policy, which is why you may see 'uncredited' voice credits listed on the site for certain high-profile titles or individuals.  

I have raised a ticket with the team calling for a discussion to revisit this policy based on all the points mentioned in this thread.Once I have an update on the outcome I will share that information with you here.

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2 years ago

When revisiting this issue, I would say there should be more clear distinction between the proper character voices and narration, and ”background voices/adr/looping”. It’s now kinda unfair that some ”uncredited” narrators or voice actors are not necessarily accepted because of this rule.

Voice actors probably don’t differ that much from the other actors. Sometimes they’re ”uncredited”, just like in any other areas.