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Thu, Oct 24, 2019 9:34 AM

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Suggested enhancement to form validation - list of cast in credit number order

Sometimes when I am submitting cast for a title, I find that it already has some existing cast with no credit orders or incorrect ones, and needs additional cast to be added.

It is difficult to blend the existing and new cast, to make sure that the credit-order numbering is consecutive across both lists, and has no duplicates.

It would be very useful if there was a way of generating a list of cast, sorted by credit order (new or changed), so you could see at a glance whether there are any gaps or duplicates in the numbering. That would allow you to answer truthfully the statement "I have verified that there are no unnecessary double numbers in the order sequence", when issuing a cast-complete attribute for a title.

What do people think? Would that be useful? I bet it would be far more useful than the change that IMDB have just made (which being discussed at length on another thread!) which displays the Submit button even when a submission still has warnings or errors, and which has moved the Submit button into the place of the Check button. That seems a fatuous and unwanted change: the developers should have concentrated on doing things that are wanted and useful...

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a year ago

Very much agree in general, seeing the list according to newly-entered/changed order numbers would be extremely useful.

One detail I'm not entirely sure about though, is the idea of mixing existing listings with new additions. For me personally, I think that change would take a lot of getting used to and I think I might end up preferring to keep those two parts of the list separated (although to be honest, I can't really explain why I feel that way, perhaps just habit?)

[but if the developers are looking for work, there are also many other things that have been requested for years, in some cases even decades!]

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I think it needs to be a single combined list. If you had two separate lists, you'd need to check between both for duplicates/gaps.

It is easier to see gaps and duplicates in:

1 2 3 5 6 7 7 8 (combined existing and new)

than in

1 5 7 (existing)
2 3 6 7 8 (new)

Maybe use two different colours (eg red=changed existing; blue=new) so you knew which section needed fixing while still seeing a combined list of numbers:

1 2 3 5 6 7 7 8

(I can't assign colours so I'm using bold for existing and non-bold for new)

They could even make the form validation code so it flags any duplicates/gaps automatically (eg "4 is missing, 7 is duplicated") by comparing the generated list against the full sequence 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. A nice little coding exercise!


The combined list of actor, character and credit-order could be also be compared with the on-screen credits to make sure you haven't omitted someone altogether from the list when transcribing the missing cast.

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Yes, I understand your reasoning and I can see the benefits. As I said, it's probably just habit for me (and quite possibly only me, maybe everyone else thinks I'm mad!), but I'm just so used to thinking in two lists ('to be corrected' and 'to be added') that it'd take me some time to get used to a change like that.

Perhaps worth noting while I'm here (although I'm sure you already know this), there are of course cases where gaps in numbering are intentional and correct - the form could detect and report them, but shouldn't block submission because of them.

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As a matter of interest, why would you want to submit a cast list with intentional gaps? Is it to document titles which have different cast lists in different countries - such as different voice actors for animations? I can see that you might number them starting at 1 for the country of release and 100, 200 etc for various foreign-language versions, together with attributes such as "French version" for each one.

Or were you thinking of something else? I'm probably about to learn something... ;-)

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Actors playing multiple characters which are listed separately in the credits. If the on-screen credits list the actor more than once, then the character names get collapsed into a single item for IMDb ordered by the actor's first appearance in the screen credits, but order numbers are skipped for (all) the actor's subsequent on-screen listings.

Curiously not mentioned in the main credit order guide [and probably should be, are any staff reading this?], but covered in the order section of the cast guide.

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Ah, right. Thanks. I never knew that. I need to do some more bedtime reading to swot up on the various IMDB rules. ;-)