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Wed, Jun 13, 2018 1:55 PM

Series' title sequence is using footage from another film?

Hi.

I came across with the TV series (film news programme) where the opening title sequence (basically in every episode) is using the footage from the classic Soviet silent film "Man with a Movie Camera", directed by Dziga Vertov. In this case Vertov is actually credited in the end credits, along with the music by Alfred Schnittke (another case where the opening title sequence is using "archive" material).

They are credited as follows (roughly translated to English):

Image: Dziga Vertov
Music (or sometimes "sound", which is confusing things even more): Alfred Schnittke
(Third credit is for the person who actually created the opening credits by using these images and sounds)

What is the best place to add these credits for the opening credits? I kinda want to be sure since these credits are almost in every episode. Thanks.

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Champion

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2 years ago

I am really interested what to do in unusual situations like that, so I me-too'd that thread. 

Employee

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2 years ago

Hi Eboy,

If they are credited in every episode then these are valid credits with the (archive footage) attribute. If the credit is (music) then the music department (not composer) is the best fit for this as he didn't compose all of the music in the title just the opening sequence. It seems sensible to list the (sound) credits within the music department as well given that it is the same footage and music every time just a different on-screen credit. The "image" credit is an interesting one, given that he directed the original film then I think it is sensible to credit him the Second Unit Directors or Assistant Directors list as opposed to the main directors list as that would look like he has equal billing as the main director on the episode.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Will

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2 years ago

If they are credited in every episode then these are valid credits with the (archive footage) attribute.
Yes, that was the main point. I mean I'm sure there are many series out these (especially focusing on movies) that include clips from various movies in the opening credits, but usually these are not credited (and I guess should not be). But in this case they are.

The "image" credit is an interesting one, given that he directed the original film then I think it is sensible to credit him the Second Unit Directors or Assistant Directors list as opposed to the main directors list as that would look like he has equal billing as the main director on the episode.
Adding these to "Ass Dir" section doesn't feel right. I mean we're mainly talking about the opening credits sequence. These are credited in a way that it says "titles/opening credits" at first, and then lists the persons involving making the opening titles.

So something like:

(Music Department) Schnittke, Alfred ... music: opening credits (archive footage)


I believe the "Misc crew" is probably the safer place for the "image" credits.

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Just to follow up. The system doesn't let me to add "(archive footage)" attribute for the departments like "music" or "other crew":
This credit has been rejected. You need to correct this credit before it will be accepted. We no longer accept archive credits for crew members.
So should I leave these credits out? I mean without "(archive footage)", I guess there's no real point to add them. 

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Quote from another thread:

As stated in our guides, if footage is used from an existing title it is ineligible for a credit as the original director played no role in the artistic creation of this title. Therefore, unless Hugh David received an on-screen credit, or contributed new footage then this credit is ineligible for listing. If Hugh David received an on-screen credit but only footage from a previous title was used, this should be added with (credit only) as an attribute. 
In my "case", the problem is that these individuals (non-actors) received on-screen credits for the opening titles, so "(credit only)" attribute doesn't really work either. It feels like I probably should add these to general "Trivia" page, or even "Crazy credits".

To me these fall under the "(archive footage)" category and I can't really use that in this case. I got confused when Will replied that "if they are credited in every episode then these are valid credits with the (archive footage) attribute".