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Tuesday, September 13th, 2022 9:26 AM

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Request that the keywords "husband" and "wife" be protected from deletion

My submissions of the keywords husband and wife were approved for several titles, but then quickly after deleted by another contributor. Here are a few of the submission numbers.

#220912-235601-191000

#220912-080032-875000

#220911-100146-519000

#220906-221549-922000

#220908-033223-660000

#220908-072851-320000

#220910-025543-858000

#220908-025558-429000 (14 other keywords were deleted from this one)

I request the keywords "husband" and "wife" be protected from deletion unless reviewed by a staffer.

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I have reached the limits of my knowledge and abilities to "audit" the "characters-murdered-one-by-one" and "murder-of-a-police-officer" keywords. I have changed one or the other (or both) of these keywords to "characters-killed-one-by-one" and "police-officer-killed," respectively, on about 70 or 80 titles.

There ended up being quite a lot of overlap between these two particular keywords being inaccurately assigned to various titles, and also there was a good amount of overlap with the keyword "murder-of-a-child." (I frequently changed that one to "child-killed" where I saw it on the same titles.)

At this point it doesn't matter who made these changes or how they came to be -- the important thing is to make a collective effort to try to fix the keywords back as accurate as possible.

In addition to the previously mentioned zombies, aliens, parasites, vampires, monsters, etc., it is also usually better to use "killed" keywords over "murdered" keywords when the plot involves robots, demons, and ghosts as well. But there are exceptions with this as well, like when a robot is programmed by a human to murder, or when a ghost retains its consciousness or soul from when the person was alive and seeks revenge on specific people by tracking them down and killing them one by one in a premeditated fashion. In some of these cases, "murder" keywords can be appropriate.

@DataOrganizer, you asked about "a parallel world in which extraterrestrials are integrated into society and are therefore also subject to the law." I believe that would be another example of where "murder" keywords can apply. But if extraterrestrials have infiltrated a human society by shapeshifting into human form (or cloning humans, or hijacking the bodies of humans), that is less likely to warrant "murder" keywords, because it is more like an interspecies war or conflict, where our laws don't even yet contemplate such killings, so it's hard to call it murder.

I will conclude by inviting you all to finish the "auditing" of these keywords, just in case you spot any that should be changed from "kill" keywords to "murder" keywords.

murder-of-a-police-officer   - change to police-officer-killed

characters-murdered-one-by-one  - change to characters-killed-one-by-one?

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@DataOrganizer 

I would change all of the murder keywords to kill keywords, with the exception of murder itself.

Again, all murders are killings, but not all killings are murders.

As noted, someone has changed many of the kill keywords to murder keywords without regard to whether the killing was murder or not.

For instance, we now have husband murders his wife on titles where the husband accidentally kills his wife or kills her in self-defense or kills her out of mercy.

We have murdered one by one on titles where an animal does the killing.

Change all murder keywords to kill keywords, and you won't have a single one that is inappropriate.

I would also set things so that any attempt to reintroduce the murder keywords is met with the system automatically changing it back to kill

Any title with the keyword husband murders his wife would also need husband kills his wife anyway. Do we really need both?

I would also take a hard look at whoever is making these foolish changes and decide whether his or her corruptive contributions outweigh the good ones—and then take appropriate action.

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@jay_spirit​ Well, I wouldn't go quite so far as you. It can be good to leave the "murder" keywords on titles where those keywords do apply. This allows for refined searches specifically for the murder keywords.

And yes, there could end up being "kills" and "murder" keywords side by side on the same title, but that is okay. As you have said, there could be hundreds of keywords on each title, and many keywords are like a tree or hierarchy, where the same title can get keywords starting with "murder" and "killing," and then stemming from there into "husband-killed," "man-killed," "man-murdered," "husband-murdered," etc. I see no problem with adding all of these keywords to titles where all of these keywords in fact apply.

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2 months ago

Here's another related keyword problem I often encounter: one contributor likes to delete the keyword "serial-killer" from titles that also have the keyword "serial-murder."

Regardless of who is doing this, I hope they will stop.

As both I and @jeorj_euler explained in another thread, it is possible to have "murder" in a film without a "murderer," or vice versa. But more importantly, these keywords are not true duplicates, and they should not be treated as such.

The same is true for "serial-killer" and "serial-murder." Please do not treat these keywords as duplicates!

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I wonder how "serial-killing" and "serial-murderer" factor into this.

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@jeorj_euler​ 

Those keywords no longer exist; they were merged as proposed in these lists. As a matter of fact, the first link was my very first duplicate keywords list.

Keywords Proposed for Merging

Duplicate Keywords - List #19 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (violence keywords)