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Production Accountant Credit

Production Accountants are Department Heads that oversee $100 Million or more in a season.  We even get on-screen credit as Production Accountant or Production Controller.  Why does IMDB throw them into "Series Additional Crew" with PA's and office staff?  Other department heads such as Art Director, Locations, Transportation or any other department heads are credited accordingly in IMDB to match their on-screen credits.  Production Accountants nationwide would very much appreciate if you would correct this issue.  You can check my last series "Rebel" for ABC or look up my IMDB Kathy Riley I (additional crew) and you will see what it looks like to have been in this business for 30+ years as a department head lumped in with Additional Crew.  United Talent Agency represents Directors of Photography, Assistant Directors, Production Designers, Costume Designers and they are looking to represent Production Accountants now as well.   

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1 year ago

I totally agree with this, accounts are an essential part of the production and we deserve to be acknowledged with our own category. 

Wayne Noir

production Accountant / 1st Assistant 

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9624302/ 

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1 year ago

Everyone! The up votes are cast by clicking the white square to the left of the number that looks like it is in the middle of a rectangle. If you click on the left it goes up, and the right it goes down !!!

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@SamScowcroft​ thank you! I was able to find it now! Kind of hidden / blended in with the background

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I would have NEVER guessed that! Thanks Sam 

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for me it was the white square ABOVE the number, because why would this be simple for anyone? le sigh IMDb.
thanks Kathy! and also, thanks to Emily Rice for the email blast.

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It was terrific of Emily to offer up an email blast to help increase our votes.  I see the numbers climbing today - very encouraging to see my fellow production accounting pro's voting for CHANGE!!!

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1 year ago

Totally agree.  We are as important in the production as other crew members so please give the acknowledgement that is due.

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1 year ago

Totally agree.  We are as important in the production as other crew members so please give the acknowledgement that is due.

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@Mish_AC​ Thanks for the support!  Hope you were also able to vote :)

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1 year ago

Very happy that some very smart people figured out how to upvote!  We have 515 views...c'mon everybody, it matters that we are credited on IMDB the same as we are on-screen!!!

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1 year ago

Definitely should be treated the same and it may also be a reason why the industry is lacking accountants with the poor recognition for the work they do. 

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@Laurabell​ Thanks for your support!  We are working hard to increase interest in and training of people that want to work in Production Accounting.  I've been a Department Head for over 25 years and in the past 5-7 years, the rates have significantly improved.  The recognition has always been from the show level or our studios/production companies...now we are asking IMDB to credit us the same as we are credited on-screen.  It's time!!!

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I’m an accounting student in the UK do you know of anything to help me get experience to get into HETV or films? I’ve just done 4 months working on a CBBC kids series .

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Keep applying, it’s busy out there so there will be an opening for you. There’s various groups on Facebook, not sure if links are allowed here, these days UK jobs are often put on there. Also, the Production Guild

https://www.facebook.com/groups/314372918752922/?ref=share&fs=e&s=cl

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@PipBad​ Are you familiar with the www.productionguild.com in the UK?  I think they are an amazing resource if you are in that area.  I wish you loads of good luck!

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@kathyriley​ yes, I’m not yet a member, something I ought to rectify, two of my currentteam came through the Guild.

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@PipBad​ I don't know how much they charge these days, do you?

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Full member £350

Supplementary member £195

Permanently Employed member £350

Deadlines for applications (bi- monthly)

Feb 1, April 1, June 1, August 1, October 1 and December 1.

 

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@PipBad​ Thanks for the update, @PipBad.  Again, wishing you all the best :)

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1 year ago

about time we start getting some respect on here!

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1 year ago

No reason IMDB can't add a Production Accounting department.  Any full-time / permanent department should have it's own dept listing in the credits on IMDB.

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62 Points

1 year ago

Absolutely, accounting needs to be part of the departments listed!

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64 Points

1 year ago

Additional Crew is a category that should be reserved for unusual titles - not roles that exist on every single decently sized production.  It can't be that tough to tweak the code and add all the common titles.  Accountants should show up as such, but so should Script Supervisors, for example, another highly skilled position.

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@cathytrope​ All good points!  I am optimistic that IMDB agrees :)  Did you vote as well?

Thanks for your support!!!

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@cathytrope​  Script Supervisors have their own category on IMDB--Script and Continuity Department

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@kathyriley​ I was vote #1 :)  Thanks for your support!

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1 year ago

Couldn’t agree more! Production Accountants deserve to be recognised for the contribution they make to each production. 

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1 year ago

Different titles often list a same job in different ways.  There is little or no uniformity.

In on-screen credits, there are often three (occasionally more) kinds of production assistants: production assistant, set production assistant and office production assistant. Accounts are often listed as accountant, production accountant, assistant accountant, or assistant production accountant.  Production companies can have their own production assistants and accountants, as can distributors.

The adjective/noun "assistant" is often mis-listed, i.e, assistant to producer is a different job from production assistant.  The placement of the "assistant" adjective is very important when it comes to job titles.

Unfortunately, they are often confused or combined or incorrectly listed.

Perhaps production coordinators should be listed in the Production Managers section.

Perhaps Production Assistants and Accounts need their own departments, just as Choreographers do.

At any rate, IMDb usually goes by how jobs are listed in the on-screen end-credits.  For good or bad, that seems to be the final determinant.

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@bradley_kent​ If this were true, then I would have enjoyed being listed as Production Accountant in the same way that they list an Art Director.  First, they lump us in with Additional Crew and then they use the on-screen credit.   Also, it would be great if we could get the WHOLE department in there.

In this round, we are asking that the Production Accountants/Production Controllers be credited separately from the "Additional Crew".  Thanks for your support!

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Unfortunately, "Additional Crew" is a dumping ground for many credits that should probably not be there.

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So do you think Production Accountants/Controllers should be listed separately or not? I can't quite tell what you're trying to say...

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Yes.  The current departmentalization was probably based on pre-1970s titles when on-screen credits were much less inclusive than they are now.

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The job back then was more clerical in nature.  The Production Accountant/Controller's role barely resembles anything like it used to be. Let's face it, MOST of the jobs today are television based. With the increase in creative expectations due to competition between networks, cable channels and now streaming platforms, production teams had to devise the use of tandem units (double up days), cross-boarding, budgeting and shooting multiple episodes in "blocks", shooting 6th days for savings, the addition of "out" days to satisfy creative needs to "open up" a show (to name only a few)...this has all contributed to production accounting teams of 10 or more people! A team of excellent accounting assistants is what every Production Accountant/Controller must rely on today.  The budgets today are very challenging and require they be fully versed in the payment of all guild & union contracts.  They are responsible for oversight and approval of every expense incurred on the shows of today.  This is what enables accurate and timely cost reports.  Accomplishing this job can only be done by staying in communication with Line Producer, UPM and the rest of the production team and department heads every episode.  

The Production Accountant/Controllers deserve to be moved out of "Additional Crew" and if we can get their very valuable teams recognized as well...that would be awesome!

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@bradley_kent​ We are trying to fix our category...maybe if this relieves the Additional Crew enough it will encourage them to separate out the others as well...we can only hope.

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1 year ago

Totally agree on this! Trying to vote but it’s not working.  Accountants do need to be recognised and their wonderful teams! 😊

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@Gemkent81​ the vote spot is weird it’s two white (blended in with background) boxes on either side of the 40 - left side is up vote right side is down vote - 

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Thank you 😊 managed to do it finally! 

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64 Points

1 year ago

Completely agree with this. Accountants should be recognised in their own separate department and not lumped in with additional crew. We are not additional, we are core crew. 

It really is time the industry realised that without us NO ONE would get paid, not the cast or their agents, not the crew, nor any suppliers! 

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@LBram1​ exactly! There’s not even an actual drop down in credits for PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT- that has to be typed in manually!

If Crew doesn’t get paid then who will actually make the movie. 
So essentially the art dept (who have a title) depends on a payroll check, paid by a Payroll Accountant. 
Accounting NEEDS its own dept listing. 

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1 year ago

commenting because it won't let me upvote! we accounting folks definitely deserve more than "additional crew" credits.

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@tammijean​ See @Chescalera's post above please?

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@tammijean​ Please see @Chescalera's  post above!  Thank you for your support!!!

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@kathyriley​ thank you! i finally figured it out after posting. I am new to the community and was clicking on the actual upvote count.