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114 Points

Sat, Sep 19, 2015 7:14 PM

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Petition to stop IMDB

Petition to stop IMDB from publishing actors DOB. Please share and sign...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/removeagefromimdb/

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92 Points

5 years ago

Why should IMDB stop publishing actors DOB? What's the problem? 

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114 Points

5 years ago

Discrimination by means of ageism and sexism. 

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236.3K Points

IMDb doesn't descriminate based on anything. If you're credited for something they'll list you. What could you possibly be thinking??

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114 Points

IMDB  provides the actors age without their consent and will not take it down under any circumstances. It allows the industry to discriminate based on age and the majority of the time it is against women. 

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502 Points

They don't have to have consent. Dates of birth are considered public information. Besides, any ageism that goes on in Hollywood has nothing to do with this.

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Jen,

So, for anyone they take down DOB, should they also take down all info about them and no longer advertise for free all other data, like film/tv credits? Consent has nothing to do with it since it's public information and and IMDb does not discriminate in any way...so what you say is complete insanity.

IMDb simply documents public info. If that is used in some abusive way, it's the abuser who is to blame...not IMDb.

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114 Points

Film/TV credits should obviously not be taken down because that is why the site is up in the first place. They should allow the individual to request that personal information like DOB be removed upon request. DOB is not always public information and it wasn't in my case. Someone had to pay a service for a background check and that is different from it being readily available for anyone to see in one click.
 IMDB enables "abusers" and increases and the chances of discrimination. DOB is irrelevant to an employer. 

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IMDBs main site is not a resume service. It is a database made by fans who want that information. You should be going after the employers who are using public information to discriminate. Not a website that happens to contain public information that is also available in other places

IMDB does not discriminate, in fact quite the opposite. Your desires are of no interest at all and your vanity request to have DOB removed will not be honored. You will be given 100% the same treatment as everyone else on IMDB: public information will remain so long as it is factual.

4 Messages

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92 Points

We all heard you the first time. This issue has beaten a dead horse. I am no longer interested in this topic. 

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502 Points

5 years ago

I vote IMDb removes the sex of the actors as well because it encourages sexism.

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92 Points

5 years ago

@Braeden, I am not sure if you are being sarcastic, but don't you think the sex/gender of the actor is important. I can understand not wanting the post the DOB of an actor, but the sex? 

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502 Points

I was being incredibly sarcastic.

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92 Points

Thank god!

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5 years ago

Jen: I see that the organizers of the petition are planning a class action lawsuit against IMDb for posting people's birthdates. Are they also planning a class action lawsuit against the movie studios and production companies who are the ones engaged in the actual age discrimination?

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... Are they also planning ...?
If you want to know, maybe you should ask the guy who
posted that petition circa five years ago.

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Nobody,

Guess you missed the point...again...

Being rude, argumentative and trolling might be more fun for everyone if you actually have a clue once in a while.

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5 years ago

I agree with the petitioners in a concurring way - having DOBs (and other personal information) on a frequently visited site who anyone can see may aid identity thieves (although not as egregious as for example having one's SSN posted publicly it gives potential crooks more ways to narrow you down).

Nonetheless, I think IMDb should take the same approach Wikipedia does and allow the individual to request that personal information like DOB be removed upon request (not things like film credits, etc. though - there I do side with IMDb in that if you are credited in any publicly released production they can list you as such). It should be like a resume where you don't need to (and shouldn't) list biographical/personal information that is irrelevant to an employer (especially when doing so increases the chances of discrimination), but you can be asked to list your work history accurately and can be penalized if you lie about or misrepresent such.

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But this isn't a resume site.

This site was set up by movie fans who wanted a repository of movie credits and information about the people involved. A lot of people worked hard to make the site successful, and did so well that it almost died because the bandwidth and storage fees became too expensive. At this point Amazon stepped in and bought the site, keeping the small staff separate from their own offices, but hosting the site on their servers.

Because of the hard work of the volunteer contributors (fans), the site was the best out there and the industry decided to use it for their own purposes. And now, people want to IMDb to change to support the desires of the industry, rather than of the people who worked so hard to create and maintain it.

IMDb did set up a way for a Resume subscriber to remove the DoB (and some other items) from the Pro primary page so that a Casting person would not see it unless they went to the Bio page. I am not sure if this option still exists in the current iteration of Pro, but the FAQ How do I control the display of my details on my IMDbPro Name Page Main Details? implies it does.

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... And now, people want ....
Well, "now", and over at least a few recent years.   As I noted, the mentioned petition was posted at least circa 5 years ago in 2010.

(Coincidentally, 2010 was the year when the WGA West, SAG and some others reportedly expressed concerns to IMDb.  In 2011 SAG & AFTRA, which had not yet merged, reportedly issued a joint statement.  Separately it has been reported that an actress who sued in 2011 lost on appeal this year.  These are just examples of some relevant reports from the past few years.)

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Something else that's changed since the '90s when IMDb launched is the exponential spike in identity theft and the ubiquity of reliable Internet connections, which based on one of my points is something else to remember.

It's like how when Social Security was first launched SSNs were used only for the purpose of identifying workers' earning records so they'd get the proper benefit at retirement or disability, and thus there were typically no negative consequences if someone got a hold of your number. Now with it being a near-universal unique identifier it's a very different story.

Yet another analogy is the wisdom of posting all court records in a public online database. Before the Internet was used by the public, finding for example a 20-year-old minor offense was like looking for a needle in a haystack even if the record was technically public. Now with employers, etc. finding such petty and long-ago offenses and using it against their employees some are calling for The Powers That Be to change under what circumstances and for how long court records are posted on such easily searchable sites.

I do respect the IMDb founders' wishes, but as we have learned about the outcome of what they have done, there can and should be changes made. Just as the authors of the Constitution weren't perfect and we had to amend it numerous times over its 200+ year history, IMDb should not etch its policies in stone simply because it's the way it has always been done.

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114 Points

David,   
There is no way to remove DOB from IMDB and that is why they (Amazon/IMDB) were sued. This is what happens when actors click on the link you posted. 

Control My Details: (Note that you can only control the information on IMDbPro, not on IMDb.com.)

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There is no reason for IMDB to remove public information. Removing it from IMDB would not remove it from public record. If someone is using information in an illegal way you need go after the person who is using it illegally.

Going after a site for posting known public facts is ridiculous.

And using http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/imdb-preserves-legal-win-revelation-784985 as a point of reference? I'd say she's not getting work because she isn't a very good actress. Watch her available reels, they are cringe worthy. She's gotten more attention from her law suit than her poor acting ever obtained.

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5 years ago

After thinking deeper on this subject I'll bring up the two other parts of what IMDb claims is "public information" in the biographical details and which I've touched on previously - "Birth Name" and "Place of Birth"; since it's a simpler discussion I'll start with the latter.

I have seen comments on here about how IMDb handles a place of birth when the name of the place or the nation it's in has changed (preferring to list what it was/called at the time of birth), but this one, unlike the other two pieces, is only semantical because regardless of the policy anyone with knowledge of the history of the region the person was born in could make the connection either way.

As far as the "Birth Name" is concerned, and following upon David's comment about the IMDb founders' wishes, I presume the purpose for listing that is to provide more information about entertainment professionals who have assumed stage names primarily for purposes of their career in the entertainment industry since that happens frequently - which although some have objected to that I do agree with IMDb's general policy in those usual cases, as do I in cases where the name change is from marriage/other domestic partnership (too many examples to list here) or where the chosen/changed name arised as a nickname (e.g. Edwin--->Buzz Aldrin or Destiny--->Miley Cyrus). Although I don't know for sure what their policy is in more special cases, I do think that someone whose name was legally changed for personal reasons not related to their entertainment career should be able to opt out of having the name they were originally given at birth from being posted, especially when the change amended their birth certificate (in some cases altering their "birth name" in the legal sense) and/or they have never hand any IMDb-listable credits*/have never publicly themselves mentioned said name. (Examples of such name changes would be those adopted as children or changed for other family-related reasons, transgender people, those who have converted religion, or in general any legal name change other than the cases mentioned earlier that took place well before the person entered the entertainment industry.) *If they do have credits under their birth name or any other name they've used then IMDb can and should adhere to their policy of listing the credits under the name they were credited as. I'm referring to cases where the person's former name is irrelevant to properly crediting their record and the name change was under circumstances the individual has strong justification for not making public (or is protected by law from doing so unless necessary for the purpose in question, as is the case for adoptions and gender changes in some jurisdictions where the new birth certificate doesn't mention the original information).

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Since I like analogies, I thought of a good one to my comments about birth names and how IMDb should handle them: In the US, for students deciding what foreign language to take, often hear that Spanish is a much more practical option than French. If that's just general advice without knowing anything more specific about where the student lives that's acceptable. However, there should not be for example a national requirement that all schools teach Spanish as the second language IMO (in some areas, like Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and the Cajun parts of Louisiana French would indeed likely be of more use than Spanish even though those areas probably amount to about 2% of the US's total population, and there are others like Hawaii where an Asian language would probably make more sense, thus the federal government should not force those outlier cases into learning a language that may although be more useful nationally isn't in their local case like I've heard some suggest). Likewise I agree with IMDb's policy on birth names where a stage name was assumed under the typical circumstances, but they should be flexible about name changes when there are other underlying causes involved.

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5 years ago

It's a simple freedom of speech issue.

It is not and should never be illegal to state truthful facts about anyone. Ever.

No amount of arguing will change this. Any desire to remove a date of birth is pure vanity and not based on any legal merit at all.

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Free speech, yeah man.

On the other hand, privately owned systems
are not considered public property.

If hypothetically a company were to choose to deny users the ability to post DOB's on the company's website, I suppose the business could be within its legal rights to make that choice ("free speech" notwithstanding).

Indeed, IMDb claims to prohibit certain types of trivia, and I'd assume that they are within their legal rights to do so (again, "free speech" notwithstanding).
http://www.imdb.com/updates/guide/bio_tr#unacceptable

I'm not a legal expert though.

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102 Points

They won't let me add my DOB anyway. It said I needed to upload a document or something, so I gave up trying.

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@pandersonextra - One of the reasons they now require documentation is because so many people have posted fake DOBs. On the other hand, that change also has the side-effect of making it harder for others to add such information about you (whether for better or for worse in your opinion) if not already there before the rule change, since if they don't have government-issued or other documents which can't be faked to back up what they're submitting IMDb will no longer accept it.