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Thu, Dec 28, 2017 2:37 PM

Part of last name - ter

In the Netherlands, the word "ter" can be part of people's last name. However, when adding this to or correcting this for a person, the red warning appears that says "One of the main parts of [...] starts with a lowercase letter and is therefore invalid." Can a staffer remove this red warning please?
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3 years ago

Does it really matter? Her name will still be displayed as "Wil ter Horst"

Rather than trying to get the IMDb to change their structure and allow that for of name beginning with a lower case letter, why not just ask them to change that one name?

They've done that in the past for other people in the rare cases when someone's name begins with a lower case letter

    Steve

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Does it really matter?
Well, apart from the fact that it is currently stored factually incorrect, it can also cause trouble when people share a name. I once encountered "van Gogh, Theo" and "Gogh, Theo van". The system didn't see a problem in this, but for a casual user it's impossible to understand why they don't have the (I) and (II) after their name. More than once, this has been asked on the Contributors Board.
Rather than trying to get the IMDb to change their structure
I don't ask IMDb to change their structure. I only ask to add one more part of a last name to the already existing list of part-of-last-names that don't get a red flag.
why not just ask them to change that one name?
Because it is not just one name. I added the printscreen to show that there are more people with such a name and to show that there are currently 3 (!) ways these names get listed: "ter Horst, Wil", "Horst, Wil ter" and "Ter Horst, Wil". It would be much simplier and factually correct to have them listed in 1 way instead of 3.

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3 years ago

Hi Marco,

I doubt that IMDb will remove the warning. However, if you provide a link to the name that you are trying to change, an employee can make the change. I've had a similar problem when a first name is all uppercase, like "TJ". You generally have to enter it as "T.J." and then ask someone to change it.

Is this the person: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm9031532/

Also, I see you refer to Wil as a him but the only list for Wil has her credited as "Herself".

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I doubt that IMDb will remove the warning.
I see no reason for IMDb not to remove the warning.
The reason why there's a warning for people like TJ is because quite some people try to add names in ALL CAPS. Annoying as it is when you have to enter it as T.J. and then ask for a fix, the warning does serve a purpose.
In the case I mentioned, the system simply didn't know about 'ter'. And, as you can see from the print screen I added, it leads to errors because some people submit it as 'Ter' instead of 'ter' because that's the only way to get it added to the database.
Also, I see you refer to Wil as a him but the only list for Wil has her credited as "Herself".
Good point, my bad, due to the fact that the name Wil can refer to both males or females in the Netherlands.

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There are good reasons to leave the warning. People can be lazy and type names in lowercase or just make a typo. I'd say at least 80% it's going to be a mistake (and yes there are cases such as "ter" and "van" and "de" that are correct but they are exceptions.)

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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3 years ago

Hi Marco -

I have now corrected the name format from "Horst, Wil ter" to "ter Horst, Wil", the change should be live on the site shortly.  Cheers!

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3 years ago

Hola
I once encountered "van Gogh, Theo" and "Gogh, Theo van". The system didn't see a problem in this, but for a casual user it's impossible to understand why they don't have the (I) and (II) after their name.
There are still many instances of this happening on IMDB, where a very same displayed name (e.g. "part1 part2 part3" ) has more than one stored names ("part2 part3, part1" & "part3, part1 part2" ).

The FTP files are outdated (especially actors.list [22 Sep 2017]) and contain just a part of the whole huge database (62,701,468 credits for 6,220,909 names, which represent, according to official stats, about 70% of total credits and names). Therefore, the following list is non-exhaustive, but it could be a good starting point for someone who'd want to check if the different stored names are structurally correct (surname, name ), and if they actually belong to different people who share a same name (in which case the incorrect stored names should be amended and proper Roman numerals added if applicable), or if in fact they belong to a same person (in which case the stored names should be amended and consolidated).

Each of the following 2,552 displayed names (DN) has two different stored names (SN):

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