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Fri, Dec 27, 2019 8:09 PM

Just as I thought I had figured out how things work here...

There is a huge discrepancy between inputting submissions and correcting submissions that are incorrect or in the wrong category.

For instance, I moved two obvious Trivia items from where they had been submitted as Goofs. I deleted the Goof entries and entered them as Trivia.

Within minutes, the Trivia items had been posted. Days later, the deletions (Moved to Trivia) were declined, leaving duplicate entries in Goofs and Trivia.

Seems that, basically, anybody can have incorrect submissions immediately accepted, but trying to repair the errors is a long, tedious process.

Just saying.

Fury (2014) 24 December 2019 #191224-055033-383000

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9 months ago

Thanks for your quick reply Ed. I thought the comment "Moved to Trivia" would suffice.

For future reference, do you consider a quote from "B. Unacceptable Goofs", showing the entry is not in accord with submission guidelines would be enough to justify a deletion?

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9 months ago

These two:
The Fury is an upgraded M4 using the same high-velocity 76mm as was on the Hellcat Tank destroyer. This gun could penetrate 120mm (Tiger's max frontal) armor at 1000 Yards with standard AP. at 1500 yards they could penetrate the 80mm max Tiger side armor. The tank charge was done early and mid war as the short 75 didn't have the same punch.

And:
The Panzerfaust warhead was a shaped charge, driven by an explosive. Depending on the type, it contained roughly two to four times as much explosive than a hand grenade. On impact, it made a very loud bang.

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888 Points

9 months ago

So, Factual Errors because you guessed at the between-the-lines meanings?

I saw them as straight statements of fact with no reference to events in the movie.

I may well be out of my depth here...

Thanks for the explanation.

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9 months ago

I spend about an hour per submission. First selecting errors that I think are dodgy, researching them online, poring over my recordings of the movie, typing up an explanation of why I think the reported errors are incorrect and submitting my results. Then I wait about 3 days to find out if a person was on the job or if the bot was on duty.

If the bot declined my corrections, there comes more hours of re-wording and re-researching the correction and then the 14 day wait to re-submit.

Life's too short, Ed, so- unless I get granted the right to post without being screened by the bot, I am going to have to pass.

When I see some obvious frivolous error entry submitted by some nit-picking teenager eager to be posted on such a prestigious website, I'll just grit my teeth and let it go.

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Not going to happen.
 unless I get granted the right to post without being screened

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888 Points

9 months ago

All that's necessary for the triumph of ignorance is for good men to feel futile.

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9 months ago

Ed, you used the word "blaming" 3 times in one sentence. Don't you see I'm agreeing with you? Trying to effect change is futile and I have other, more rewarding things to do with my life than banging my head on a bot.

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9 months ago

You putting words in my mouth Ed? I haven't blamed anybody for anything. Yet.

I'm thinking of blaming you for passive/aggressive behaviour though. Trying to make out like I've done something wrong.

Clever use of the paraquote even if it has no relation to anything I've said and is clearly a diversionary tactic.

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9 months ago

Hi Silvr Hair Devil,

Thanks for your post.

Please try removing the duplicated trivia items using a link to this post.

Thank you in advance.

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9 months ago

Hello Jaime
Just to be clear, do you want me to remove the items that I put into Trivia because they are duplicates of items in Factual Errors? Or the other way around?

I am not sure that Ed's interpretations are valid. Ed's interpretation and extrapolation:

“Both of these items are attempting to say that the ordinances damage does not match actual real world results. IE: Factual Error.”

“...so the explosions and damage done does not correlate to the actual real world damage that would have occurred.”

"Crew members of destroyed M4A3 tanks reported direct hits with 76mm tank fire bouncing off turret and front slope plates of enemy tank, which is further proof of inability of present medium tanks to successfully fight the German Mark VI tank.

Unit History, 781st Tank Battalion p 9 of 47, 1945-01-19" 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1

“Ordnance told me this 76mm would take care of anything the Germans had. Now I find you can’t knock out a damn thing with it” General Eisenhower

Further observations on fact accuracy.

From the supposed Goof: “These tanks ordinance charge upgrades were done early and mid war...”

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1: “It was not until July 1944 that a call for M4s armed with 76s was put out”

"In real life, the Easy Eight, equipped with its 76 mm gun, was a relatively late addition to the war effort – only in production since late 1944."

https://jerrygarrett.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/fury-the-problem-with-brad-pitts-tank/

“Director David Ayer has spoken of the lengths gone to for maximum verisimilitude...”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/oct/24/fury-movie-tank-veteran-sherman-verdict-realistic

So, considering the mistakes of the OP and Ed's misuse of Occam's Razor vs Ayer's efforts and the movie's researchers efforts at accuracy, I think that it should be deleted from Factual Errors and edited to correct the “early and mid war” mistake in Trivia.

As far as the Panzerfaust comment, I still maintain it is a straight statement of fact with no reference to any particular action in the movie and thus, Trivia.

What say you?