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Wed, Jun 13, 2018 1:34 PM

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I need some false information deleted from my profile on IMDB.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5770044/

The entries listed here are wildly innacurate. I am credited with work I have not made, and films are listed as ‘released’ and distributed when they palpably are not. In almost all instances, IMDB is the only source of this information.

The false information pertains to the following pages:
Person: Tobias Elijah Morgan https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5770044/

False credit 1:
Nerve
IMDB page: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3121904/
The source of this information is a website called Nowe Kino, which went inactive in 2013. Nowe Kino was a fledgling production company I created to pitch co-productions between UK and Poland.
https://web.archive.org/web/201604011...
Snapshot from Way Back Machine 2016. Last Nowe Kino Update 2013.
This film never finished post production. It was never released. It has never been screened in any format, anywhere.

False credit 2:
Laughing Men
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3121896/
Never finished editing. I know because I still have both the hard drives with the 1080p footage and the mini DV tapes used to film the clown sections sitting in my desk drawer. It has Never been publicly screened. It has Never been distributed online in any format. IMDB is literally the only source of information that this film even exists. There has never been a press release or a review of it. And finally, based on the last Nowe Kino entry from 2013, IMDB is woefully inaccurate about its inception, production and actual content : https://web.archive.org/web/201604011...
It’s a moot point: this film, as it is credited and described here, never finished production and does not exist.

False credit 3:
Bastard Child
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3121160/
This film has NOT been released. One of the actors dropped out midway in 2012, and scenes involving them have yet to be reshot or reworked and the film re-conceptualized. It should read ‘post-production’.
Apart from mentions of its inception and initial shooting in regional Polish press, IMDB is again the only authority that this film was completed or released.

False credit 4:
Aliens vs Zombies
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3626214/
I haven’t set foot in the US since 2009. Unless I operated camera and did electrical via some kind of shell tech, I don’t see how his was physically possible.

I am tired of these things showing up against my name in internet searches. I am tired of being asked to screen films that do not exist. I am tired of what appears to me to be unregulated trolling of my person. I have asked before to have these things removed, but was told that IMDB operates as its authority, and needs no validation of the existence of a film once it has been entered into its database, which seems absurd and dangerously open to abuse.

Tobias Elijah Morgan

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2 years ago

Hello, Tobias. 

Deletion might be applied to some cases, but you just proved existance of some of these titles so they are not false, just not entirely accurate by IMDb standards. Unfinished films that actually entered filming stage are eligible on IMDb so some of this should likely stay with "(unfinished)" attribute added to director's listing. The fact that they were never completed doesn't make productions "flase" or even non-eligible for IMDb. 

As far as I can see everything listed is eligible with the exception of Zombies vs. Joe Alien (2017) which seems to be confusement with other Tobias Morgan. However, have you worked freelance on something that might have been filmed elsewhere but was an American production? Becuase that happens all the time and there is no information whatsoever on where the movie was filmed. 

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2 years ago

No I haven’t. I haven’t touched a camera in over 5 years.

But look: Unfinished films are listed forever? OK. So be it. There’s no footage for most of it. No audience, no press, nothing. I didn’t add the data on IMDB. It seems patently absurd that if I start a project and someone decides to fanboy it prematurely then I am stuck with false credits permanently.

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Yes, if there is an unifinshed film and it is known to exist it is indeed remains on IMDb. Just a few cases to prove that:
Kaleidoscope (1967)
Untitled Prince Documentary (2001)
Don Quixote (1972)

When you started to work on said titles you pretty much agreed that your name will be on it in some way. The fact that they were never finished is an entirely different story. Again as I've said, these credits are not false by any standard and by stating that you on their production statuses you pretty much confirmed their existence further. 

It might be frustrating and I can totally relate to that (because I have a few unfinished movies in my filmography as well: you pretty much can't evade a few unfinished prooductions if you work in the industry or near it), but that is probably why advetising or announcing a film without having a guaranteed completion is not the best idea ever. Still, everybody does exactly that and then unfinished productions are known to exist, but are not available. Sad, but happens all the time. 

As for Zombies vs. Joe Alien (2017): will try to research the situation, clarify how th credit reads and separate it into another page, unrelated to yours. 

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Ok hold on. If I go with my friend and make a video and don’t announce it to anyone, and if someone else adds it to this database, I am apparently beholden to that reality?

There is not one shred of advertising for Laughing Men ANYWHERE. There are photos of me shooting something that might be called “Bekart’ in Polish but no interview and no release announcement. In each case this data was added to this site by third parties without my knowledge or consent.

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Let me also point out that I don’t work ‘in the industry’. These films had zero budget. And they are all cancelled productions. At least could they be listed as cancelled productions?

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Basically, yes, what you described happens a lot. I would say that the only way to get ahead of that situation is to add or update everything you do yourself, including unfinished and lost projects. You don't worry about something showing up unexpetedly if you already dealt with it. At least, that's how many people do it, me included.   

Also, do you happen to know how exactly third parties managed to get ahold of information and compile it in rather comprehensive IMDb listings? The only way I could think about is that said third parties are not exactly third and are from cast and/or crew. 

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For a time, I ran a human rights project called Cine Foundation, and it attracted some admirers. I believe some of the info started then. I have shown you the Nowe Kino pages: that was the site I used to pitch projects. Most of the data is gleaned from there.

If you would like I can contact the ten or so people listed as cast and crew overall and ask them.
I think most will be surprised that the films are even listed.

I bet if you look at the back end of the machine you will see the info was added by others. I mean for example, The Markerists: watch the film and tell me where the credits list me (or anyone).

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I should not that you still need to wait on what IMDb staff would say about the situation (I am merely a concerned experienced user with some admin rights hence "Champion" status, trying to help on a daily basis). I've never seen "Abandoned" (closest to "canceled" I know) status before it was added to Kaleidoscope (1967), so I don't know what are chances on your project receiving that status but I'd say they're quite high, considering.   

No budget productions are quite common on IMDb nowadays, especially since because of Internet they actually can make some difference even lacking proper release. 

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Thank you. I am sorry if I am seem to be throwing shade at you. You have been very helpful.
I do feel this is a Kafka-esque themed Escher staircase of bureaucratic madness, however.

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It's totally okay, I hope that situation will be solved productively and inclusionist in me also hopes that the titles will remain on IMDb. I don't know why. Also whole situation kinda makes me want to see them. 

Sometimes I wonder what Kafka would have wrote about modern world. "The Process" is a bit tame compared to what actually happened in the Soviet Union and sometimes happens in post-Soviet countries, so Kafka-esque is realtively realistic to me. There was even a non-formal proverb in the USSR "We were born to make Kafka a reality" (a rephrasing of a Soviet propaganda song which had "fairy tale" instead of Kafka) .   

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I would love to finish Bastard Child. The rest of those projects are junk, just experimental footage, shot on the fly mostly without script. Laughing Men was a misguided attempt at calling out misogyny in cinema long before #metoo and was a technical disaster. Also- Clowns in films as serious metaphors: never a good look.

I think Kafka, Vaclav Havel (‘memorandum’) and even Asterix (in the 12 tasks, the tower) would stare out at the modern world and just ...sigh.

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If the idea and footage still appeals to you I think that you should go for it and finish the movie. If not for result then for yourself, because some unfinished projects tend to haunt for years and even if finishing them the way it was intended is not possible, working around it might jumpstart the creativity and actually lead to something greater. I've had a lot of unrealised and unfinished projects over the years and sometimes finishing them brings quite a few interesting discoveries or experience that I can gladly put to use in larger projects. Sometimes a few unfinished projects could be combined and re-purposed into something new. With no budget you can actually get creative with stuff and sometimes try finishing it just to know whether it was worth it filming it back in the day. Some results might surprise in a good way, some not but closure is very important psychologically and provides a lot of motivation.

Experimental shorts shot on the fly with little to no script can actually be quite important as they provide a lot of experience. If everything goes wrong on such, it increases the chances of many things go right on more serious projects. 

BTW, great thanks for reminding me of The Twelve Tasks of Asterix (1976). Haven't seen it in a while but remember it being quite good and funny.  

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2 years ago

Thing is I knew it would go like this. I will have to get a lawyer.

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2 years ago

I would disagree with the comments above regarding unfinished films to a certain extent.

Yes, some unfinished films are intentionally listed in the database, but the examples given by Nikolay above are all from famous directors: Alfred Hitchcock, Kevin Smith, and Orson Welles. If a filmmaker who is much less known starts a film but doesn't complete it, usually IMDb would want to delete the film from the database if it can be confirmed that the project has been cancelled. Projects like Kaleidoscope are exceptions to the usual practice in getting listed without being completed (or, in its case, filmed at all).

On the other hand, if some of Tobias's films have not been cancelled altogether but need to be completed, they should not be deleted from IMDb; rather, their production statuses should be updated and their release dates removed or updated to a future date rather than past dates.

If a film has been completely abandoned and is never going to be released, it is possible to have it deleted from the database, but IMDb is going to want a full explanation of the situation and any proof that you can provide that the film is cancelled. To request deletion, go to https://help.imdb.com/contact, then select "IMDb Fan/Contributor questions", then for Select an issue "Titles", then for Select issue details "Delete a title", and click "E-mail", after which you can submit your e-mail with the full explanation.

I hope this helps.

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2 years ago

Awesome, thank you.

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2 years ago

Just would like to say that I am amazed how quickly IMDB responded to my request. I am happy to compromise over the ‘announced’ status for Laughing Men and I will no doubt finish ‘Bastard Child’ at some point, maybe when the political tension in Poland has dissipated slightly (please note that it isn’t ‘Released’, but in Post). I am still credited with ‘Aliens vs Zombies’ which seems absurd considering the nature of my other work (experimental neo-realist documentaries), and I will later prove that I was not involved in the production if it comes to it. I can only presume at this stage someone is investigating and it will eventually be removed.

The responders/Champions on this forum are excellent, positive and helpful. Thank you all very much.

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2 years ago

Hi Tobias -

If you haven't  already done so, please submit the credit deletion for "Aliens vs Zombies" through our online Update form for our editors to take a look.  Otherwise, if you have already requested the deletion please post the submission reference number here so our staff can take a look. 

If "Bastard Child" was never released in 2013, please submit a correction to the existing Release date, replacing the incorrect date with the expected date, once adjusted you can then submit the post-production status.

I hope this helps, let us know if you have any follow-up questions, cheers!

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2 years ago

I may have done this more than once. My reference for ‘Aliens vs Zombies’ is currently
‘Contribution #180618-134706-285000’

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2 years ago

I am pretty sure I am being confused with this individual ~ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9617162/

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2 years ago

Hi Tobias -

I just reviewed your submission and noted that your deletion request is still pending review by our editors.  If you are certain that the credit belongs to the other "Tobias Morgan" listed on the site, you can submit a credit correction instead, requesting to move the credit to his page. Otherwise, our editors will review your deletion request shortly, you can review our current Data Processing times to know when your submission will be reviewed.  Cheers!.