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Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:28 PM

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I am trying to add Elliot Page's original birthname (or Ellen Page's original birthname) (Submission number: 210218-064038-300000)

Hi, I am regarding about Canadian actor from Halifax, Nova Scotia and star of the 2007 film "Juno" Elliot Page (formerly Ellen Page). Prior to changing its name to Elliot Page, I was trying to add Elliot page's original birthname with the name Ellen on it. Elliot Page has two last names. When Ellen was born to her mother martha Philpotts. Its first last name "Philpotts" is shared with its mother Martha Philpotts and its father Dennis Page is shared with Ellen/Elliot forming the last name "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page" it was rejected it was according to the IMDb bio. I never got my addition rejected how come editors did not understand Elliot Page's bio that has Ellen's name. The submission number to add Elliot Page's birth name that has the original name "Ellen" prior to "Elliot" and Elliot's two last last name shared its parents forming the names "Philpotts-Page"  is 210218-064038-300000. Here are all of the confirmed sources that has Elliot Page's corrected birth name name to the media before the source was previously named professionally as "Ellen Page". Look for Elliot Page's original birth name as "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page".

The URL addresses coming from these photos and the description, plus two reputable sources from Italy translated from the Italian language are:

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/hollywood-news/ellen-pages-net-worth-take-a-look-at-the-juno-actors-stunning-net-worth-details-here.html

https://www.britannica.com/facts/Elliot-Page

https://briefly.co.za/89337-ellen-page-elliot-page-bio-age-spouse-education-career-images-profile.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/coming-out-made-me-more-free-in-every-aspect-of-my-life-1.3464736

https://conandaily.com/2020/12/01/elliot-page-biography-13-things-about-canadian-actor-born-in-halifax-nova-scotia/

https://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/actresses-from-sports-movies-now/ (Note: Go to No. 12 about this Sports Movies subject and look for Ellen Page's name and likeness, look for Ellen Page's original last name that says "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page".)

https://www.narcity.com/en-ca/gossip/canadian-celebrities-who-changed-their-names

https://tg24.sky.it/spettacolo/cinema/approfondimenti/ellen-page-elliot-transgender#05 (Note: This article is translated from Italian. I change translation to English and it will say in translation "Born with the name of "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page".)

https://www.huffingtonpost.it/entry/ellen-elliot-e-le-liberta-che-diventano-ideologie_it_5fd09a8dc5b652dce5847b01 (Note: This article is translated from Italian. I change translation to English and it will say in translation "Elliot Page, born Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page, is a Canadian actor". This articles comes from the Italian version of The Huffington Post.)

For my appeal, please review Elliot Page's original birth name that has the original name of "Ellen" prior to the name change announcement to "Elliot Page" via Elliot Page's social media accounts and its confirmed reputable sources for an external review, and reverse the decision and if it is "accepted" it will be resubmitted to to add Elliot Page's original birth name as "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page" that is confirmed to the media on my behalf despite the declining. I have wait patiently while "pending" until it's complete for the decision. If any person can review these photos that would be great. Don't forget to double check and zoom in these pictures to make sure Elliot Page's confirmed birth name to be an exact match in relation to Elliot Page's name change announcement. Please add Elliot Page's original birth name from these photos from its respective URL addresses from the media and it will be correctly written as "Ellen Grace Philpotts-Page" within the submission number 210218-064038-300000 under "Birth name". Now please let me know as soon as possible. I will be happy for your reply, especially @Grayson or @Michelle. Anyways, thanks for this message and I hope someone will receive a reply very soon. I hope this helps. That concludes this message Elliot Page's original birth name, previously Ellen Page's original birth name prior to Elliot Page. Thank you very much.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0680983/

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Champion

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13 days ago

Ian: Practically speaking, there is nothing you can do about this now. See https://community-imdb.sprinklr.com/conversations/data-issues-policy-discussions/elliot-page/5fe1c217213e1d6428fb5e1b for some context. Basically, according to some people, it is now considered improper to mention any name Elliot Page had in the past. You would be better off requesting a change to the policy than just trying to submit this person's birth name as a regular edit.

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It was the birthname addition issue. Renaming a page is ruled out. Ellen Page's original birth name with the name "Ellen" on it is the subject. Ellen has two last names shared by her parents. Elliot's first last name before it was Ellen is "Philpotts". It is shared by its mother Martha Philpotts according to the IMDb bio. And its second last name "Page" is shared by its father Dennis Page.

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SoCalGrace

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@gromit82 I haven't read the thread you linked, but wanted to comment on this: "Basically, according to some people, it is now considered improper to mention any name Elliot Page had in the past."

If Page considers it improper, okay, I can understand their feelings, but the fact is, Page was born with and had other names; that's historically correct. Wanting to make that part of their life disappear doesn't make it disappear! Ditto for anyone else who thinks it's now improper. History will show that Page had other names, so why try to hide that? It's kind of like saying, 'gee, if we just say slavery never happened, then it never happened!' No, it DID happen, whether we want to admit it or not.

I can understand and empathize with Page being uncomfortable with reminders of their old identity, but that doesn't make it go away. When he/she/they die, I guarantee their former identity will be included in their obituaries--so why hide it?

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I don't know. I hope @Michelle will respond my message. Fingers crossed!

Champion

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12 days ago

So, you are trying to deadname him on his own page and you don't understand why that would be inappropriate? I'm afraid nothing anyone can say can make you understand how inappropriate this is.

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What? Who are you to claim that there is nothing anybody can do to get the creator of this thread to understand? How in the hell do you know this?

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@adrian   

IMDb is a database. As such, it collects, stores and presents data. It doesn't have an opinion on the data it offers. Why do you have a problem with that? And also, does this mean you also have a problem with all the news items on page's Page (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0680983/news) from before December 2020, where Page is referred to as Ellen? Should, in your opinion, IMDb delete these hundreds and hundreds of news items? And should posters like this one be deleted as well: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0680983/mediaviewer/rm2059176192/ ? It would mean almost fifty pictures would be removed from Page's page.

Another question: How do you feel about the people who want their dates of birth removed from the database because they fear it costs them jobs? And how about the people who've made (semi-)pornographic films in their younger years and are ashamed of them now. Should they get the ability to remove these titles from their pages? And how do you feel about all these titles: https://www.imdb.com/find?s=tt&q=nigger ? A growing number of people feels it's utterly wrong and racist to even mention this word. Perhaps some people even consider me a racist for posting this link. Should IMDb remove or bowdlerize these titles?

If you say yes to most/all these questions, what will become and remain of the database?

If you say no to most/all of these question, why do you grand one group of people their wishes but not other groups? Are their concerns and feelings less legitimate?

While in general I always consider your posts useful and interesting, I really fail to see the logic behind this one.

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Hi, Marco. You may have wasted your time writing all that. Usually (but not always), when a person subscribes to some form of group identity ideology, he or she does not have much to express about competing or intersecting group identities. In general, I think most human beings are kind of like Fred Sanford, "I don't know, and I don't want to know." Now, imagine being "red-pilled", but the problem with that is the indirect origin of such a term, the Wachowskis who essentially made an entire trilogy of movies featuring a villain who repeatedly deadnamed the main hero. How can somebody ever abandon the identity assigned to him or her by the system? What if anybody could if he or she truly wanted it? But it would have to come at a cost. Right now, people stuck with doing like, say, Darth Vader, by treating the former identity as dead and no longer having any meaning.

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12 days ago

IMDB allows removal of birth names for a while by request, and you are trying to re-add something decided by IMDB already.

A part about being broadly publicly known needs clarification yes and it's already brought up here and is "in-progress", you might want to follow that thread for updates.

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a day ago

There appears to be a MASSIVE double standard operating here.

We frequently find relatively unknown actors coming on here, requesting that a previously used name or pseudonym be removed.

The stock response is that "IMDb is a factual database and these names are listed in the credits of such and such production etc. & there is nothing we can do about it."

Page is clearly being given special treatment here, likely due to their status as an established A/B+ lister.

I think it sucks.

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But we don't know that anybody's request has been declined since the time after the pertinent policy went into effect. If these people would speak up, then an actual double standard may be identifiable. I do suspect, however, that the final straw to get the policy change implemented had something to do with at least one celebrity's feedback, but I could be suspecting incorrectly. Sometimes policy changes do occur simply by collections of complaints collected over the course of several years. I found it odd that no announcement was made regarding the policy change. Was this due to shame? Or was it strategic?