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Thu, Dec 29, 2016 12:25 AM

How does IMDb get its information on release dates and venues, especially regarding old movies such as Nosferatu (1922)?

The earliest date listed is February 17, 1922 at the Hague in the Netherlands. How was it confirmed that this movie premiered at that venue on that date?

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5 y ago

Interesting question. I have 4 March 1922, Berlin (Marmorsaal, Official Preview)

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5 y ago

We are checking with the original contributor for details ... stay tuned. 

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5 y ago

I added this release date. My source (site is in Dutch): http://www.cinemacontext.nl/id/F003658 (fifth tab "voorstellingen"). This is an online database, like IMDb, which lists information from the Dutch National Archives and the Dutch Movie Theatre Association (Bioscoopbond).

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5 y ago

The source of 1922 Den Haag, Olympia and Flora both list "Haag Courant" (newspaper) as the source. The digital archives don't go back further than 1940 (http://denhaag.x-cago.com/srch/query.do). The only way to verify would be to go to the reading halls at the national library in Haag and go through the microfilm.

I presume these two dates in 1922 in the Netherlands could have been an unofficial showing before the official premiere on March 4th 1922 in Germany, only a month later. February 17 1922 is a Friday, which makes sense for a pre-opening, that is, before a weekend, probably late-night.

I have contacted Cinemacontext and will report back once they respond (probably at some time in the new year).

(The earliest showing I can dig up in any Dutch archive is 1927):

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5 y ago

Hello again. The website responded very swiftly (!!). They have provided an old newspaper clipping from 16/02/1922 in Den Haag. It states screenings later this week on Friday and monday, over 18 yrs of age, as far as I can decipher.


http://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view...

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5 y ago

About the library opening date, it was an error on the part of the website. I received this rather goofy response from the handler of the website:

Now we are talking!

I am quite grateful for your pointed questions as they help to improve Cinema Context.

Hold on, Henrik, don’t jump to conclusions too quickly. There is no doubt that Nosferatu was shown at the Grand Theatre as well as WB Theater in Rotterdam from 10 August 1923 onwards. The confusion comes from the opening date of the Grand Theatre as mentioned in Cinema Context. The website says the cinema opened its doors on 21 December 1923. This is wrong. The true date is 7 December 1922. It appears that the cinema changed its ownership and its name in September 1923 in a messy take-over. We were able to reconstruct the exact dates and changes but the website does not reflect these findings properly. I’ll see to it that corrections will be made.

Thanks for pointing my attention to this problem.

I don’t know the name of the first distributor of Nosferatu in the Netherlands in 1922.

Filmliga was a non-profit organization, created in 1927, which arranged a rerelease of Nosferatu in the same year. Filmliga probably exhibited old film prints which had been stored in the vaults of the Dutch distributors.

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5 y ago

So, in light of the response and the newspaper what date are we going for?

The National Archives states Ligafilms didn't get Nosferatu until 1931
http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/index/nt00402/0b564c64-7cc1-102d-a57f-005056a23d00

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5 y ago

IMDb only lists the first date (opening) in each country, with some exceptions, like tv-premieres and dvd-releases on top of the cinematic release.
This date is proved now to be 17/02/1922 (The Hague). This date is already registered on the title, so no correction needed.

If anyone on this thread did make a correction to the title it should be corrected back again, in my opinion, to 17/02/1922 (The Hague), "(preview)" or "(limited release)" with a reference to this discussion.

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5 y ago

This was extremely helpful. Thank you everyone for contributing. I'm very impressed that you tracked down the newspaper clippings.