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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 4:36 PM

How do I delete these persons?

Hi. For some reason I can't delete the following people from Sunset Beach's full cast and crew list.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1024436/?ref_=nv_sr_1 Choppy Guilotte
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1212145/?ref_=nv_sr_1 Ryan Christopher Keys
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0759613/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 Francine Sama
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0859038/?ref_=nv_sr_1#actress Jodi Thomas

What these four people have in common is that they are listed undder "unknown episodes" which makes it impossible to delete them since they are not listed under a specific episode. However, when I list them under a specific episode and then delete them once they have been accepted they "bounce back" to being listed under unknown episodes. How do I resolve this?

I know they do not appear in the show.




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2 years ago

Ed Jones: The evidence is simply that I know the show as good as my own pocket and I have seen every episode and I know that they do not appear.

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As I wrote in my first post they are not listed under any specific episode. They are listed under "unknown episodes", which is not possible to do any more but it was possible before.

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2 years ago

Ed Jones: You know that Imdb is a user-generated site? That is, anyone can add anyone as an actor/actress to a show and in 99,99% it gets accepted. And as i said before it's NOT possible to add a cast member to a show nowadays without adding it to a specific episode. I know for a FACT they did not appear since I have still pictures of ALL guest actors in the show and I KNOW they were not among them. It was just a few years ago I watched the whole series all over again just to catch all guest actors.

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2 years ago

Of couse not. I myself have added a lot of uncredited actors to the show who ACTUALLY were there and I'm working on finding out ALL of the uncredited guest actors so that I can list them since SB were the only show not to credit guest actors. But these four were not among them.

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It has in all the other credits I've removed. There it has simply been enough that i have written "not in this episode" and credit has gotten deleted. What differs these four is that they are listed under "unknown episodes" and therefore it's harder to delete since they automatically bounce back to "unknown episodes" when it gets deleted from a specific episode. It's not that the request for deletion has been rejected because it hasn't.

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Appearenty it's enough proof for the Imdb staff since their names did not appear on screen. Then it's up to those who claim that they were in the show to proof that.

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No. they have not. They have been added by a random user just like 99% of the material on Imdb. Imdb is as I said, user-generated. There is a reason to why Imdb doesn't count as a reliable source on wikipedia and its simply not possible to add a credit to series without adding it to an episode number. You joined August 2018 so of course you don't know this but we do who have been here a bit longer.

You can read more about that here:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/unknown-episodes

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2 years ago

I can't see what that has to do with topic (even if the names are visible of the first two if you hold the mouse over it). The topic is cast members from Sunset Beach, not actors/actresses over all.

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Robert Blake, Natalie Wood and Judy Garland. More questions?

Another thing is that the character names for the people in topic are never mentioned once. I'm happy to hand over my whole file of both the pictures and the episodes so you can check out for yourself.

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I cought all the guest actors who had any lines. That's enough and their character names are never mentioned either. That's evidence enough. I can add Brad Pitt to an episode and it would be up to you to proof that he never appeared in the show with your reasoning.

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And if you check Imdbs guidelines it says:

"If the role does not exist (i.e. the actor/character does not appear at any point in the title), then please submit a deletion, but only if you are absolutely certain that the credit is incorrect"

Nothing about stone-secure evidence. You just need to be certain:

https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/correcting-existing-data/GPFQGX9...#

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2 years ago

There are two (main) things people need to check when dealing with delete requests:
1) Does the person appear in the episode (”background” also counts) ?
2) Is the person credited in the episode, even when she/he does not actually appear in it (in these cases the credit should still be listed with ”(credit only)” attibute).

The problem with this series seems to be that these actors have ”unknown episodes” associated with them, which means that we don’t know the actual episodes where they appear (well, or not). Since there seems to be 755+ episodes, this situation is a tricky one.

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2 years ago

Eboy: Thank you for not being passive agressive (unlike some people.

1. Of course they can be in the background. I only list those who had lines. The thing is though that their character names are never mentioned either.

2. No. No guest actors are credited (with a few exceptions like Barbara Mandrell, Jack Wagner and Steven Vincent Leigh). That's why SB has so many actors that are "unknown" and can only be recognizeble from another show.

The "unknown episodes"-thing is because in the past it was possible to add credits to a show without including the episode number, a lots of shows have it like this, not only SB. That's not possible anymore but it doesn't take away the problems with those who already have been listed in such ways. I have checked all the episodes though and the persons do not appear.

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No, Eboy did not say the same thing. You claim that they have proofed that they were in the show which they haven't. It's clearly that you don't understand how Imdb works or have worked. Yes, Imdb staff have approved them but they would approve Brad Pitt if I included him aswell. All other credits I have deleted have also been approved once.

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Good because you don't contribute with anything anyway. Let's hope someone from the staff comes here.

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2 years ago

With TV series, the ”core” cast & crew is added first (it varies a lot which names are listed initially), and the actual episodes after that. Sometimes only selected episodes (or selected cast & crew are listed to those episodes) are listed, so some names then appear as ”unknown episodes” (since they’re not ”tied” to any of the episodes).


Example: 100 names are added to the series when it’s first submitted/approved/added to IMDb. Now someone adds one episode to the series and adds one name to that episode. After that, 99 names are with ”unknown episodes”.


Not sure the history with SB, though.

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Eboy: I don't know how it works with other shows but in SBs case the "main" cast are listed first just like you said after how many episodes they did appear in. Ex: Clive Robertson is listed first. He appeared in 570 episodes of 755. After that it's Susan Ward with 551 episodes and then it goes on until David Andriole who is the first uncredited actor listed, in 96 episodes and then it continues after how many episodes they appeared in. We start with the recurring cast who appeared in all three seasons. If two people appeared in the same amount of episodes the person who appeared first is listed first.

When it comes the the "unknown episodes" these are people who were added before it was mandatory to include an episode number. I can add them to a specific episode number and then they appear in the same way as the other. Example: I add Choppy Guilotte to episode 755. Then he will be listed pretty far down as he only appeared in one episode in season 3 as uncredited but if I delete him from episode 755, he automatically "bounce back" to be listed in unknown episodes but if I instead delete Kevin Otto from episode 755 he disappeares completely from the cast list since he did not appear in "unknown episodes" at first.

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2 years ago

What's there to correct? He appeared in the show and his name appeared on screen. (Btw Shouldn't you stop reply?)

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Fair enough. That comes from that he originally was named Jason Winston George on Imdb then someone changed it to just Jason George, just like Jeff Wood (Jeffery Wood), Chasen Parker (Chase Parker), Tracy Melchior (Tracy Lindsey Melchior) and Jennifer Banko (Jennifer Banko-Stewart). That should absolutely be corrected.

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2 years ago

Hi,

The cast entries you are talking about can be edited/deleted if you click edit on the series page.

Whether delete requests will be approved is a different matter, but if all episodes are accounted for and these roles are not there, I think it would make sense to remove them.

If you are able to make the submission you can post the reference number here so an IMDb editor can have a look.

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I tried that a few years ago without any luck (guessed it was because i tried to delete them directly from the full cast and crew list) but I guess I can make another try.