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Fri, Jan 4, 2019 2:52 AM

Genre mismanagement

Poor genre judgements

Once again, I find myself entering the new year with great trepidation about how genre decisions are made.  Since IMDb's guidelines apparently DO NOT agree with other reliable sources (in this case, Variety), is seems that genre guidelines MUST be redefined OR the genre list manager must have his/her eyes opened.

Here are some examples of rejections that absolutely baffle me:

181231-151312-0320002018-12-31 15:13:12The Great Northfield Minnesota Raid (1972)
Keywords -  16 items added, 3 items corrected
Genres -  1 item added
181231-041102-8870002018-12-31 04:11:02The Souler Opposite (1998)
Keywords -  35 items added, 1 item deleted
Genres -  1 item added
181231-011727-0230002018-12-31 01:17:27Grind (1997)
Keywords -  13 items added, 2 items deleted
Genres -  1 item added
181231-010445-0740002018-12-31 01:04:45The Last Time I Committed Suicide (1997)
Keywords -  27 items added, 3 items corrected, 1 item deleted
Genres -  1 item added
181230-015623-7820002018-12-30 01:56:23Zero Effect (1998)
Keywords -  23 items added, 3 items deleted
Genres -  1 item added
181230-013133-1920002018-12-30 01:31:33Walking Tall (1973)
Keywords -  15 items added, 8 items corrected, 3 items deleted
Genres -  1 item added
181229-211526-6200002018-12-29 21:15:26It's My Party (1996)
Keywords -  30 items added, 1 item corrected, 1 item deleted
Genres -  2 items added
181229-190900-3610002018-12-29 19:09:00Bad Girls (1994)
Keywords -  19 items added, 4 items corrected, 1 item deleted
Genres -  1 item added

Some sort of logical explanation (if possible), would be appreciated.

Responses

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3 y ago

So...

It's My Party, which I have seen twice, should have BOTH Comedy and Romance as genres.  Perhaps it has been denied these genres because it is about death from AIDS and gay romance,  The first phrase of the January 11, 1996 Variety review says it is "Mixing comedy and sad drama." The main character has "a long-term relationship" with "his handsome lover."  There's a breakup, but also a reunion with the lover " who "apologize(s) for his misconduct and declare(s) anew his love" for the main character.  Their reunion, "the big scene... is emotionally effective.  Observing Brandon carrying Nick in his arms to his deathbed will reduce viewers to tears."  Also, "There are some wonderfully spontaneous and humorous episode," the review noted, with even minor characters "getting ... a bitchy one-liner."  Sounds to me like it is a Drama AND a Comedy AND a Romance.

(More to come...)

Champion

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Hi Bradley Kent,

That doesn't sound like a comedy according to our definitions, which are quite strict.

"Virtually all scenes should contain characters participating in humorous or comedic experiences. The comedy can be exclusively for the viewer, at the expense of the characters in the title, or be shared with them. Please submit qualifying keywords to better describe the humor (i.e. spoof, parody, irony, slapstick, satire, black-comedy etc). If the title does not conform to the 'virtually all scenes' guideline then please do not add the comedy genre; instead, submit the same keyword variations described above to signify the comedic elements of the title. Subjective."

Were virtually all scenes in the film comedic?

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"Virtually all scenes" should be changed/deleted from the Comedy genre definition.  With "virtually all scenes," you are eliminating ALL Comedy/Drama, Comedy/Musical, Comedy/Western ,etc. combinations.  Why, there are even Bob Hope movie where "virtually all scenes" are NOT comedic!  How about "most," or "50%," or "40%," "many," etc. to accurately reflect the reality.

And, don't forget keywords like "situation comedy," "screwball comedy," etc., etc., etc., as well as "spoof, parody, irony, slapstick, satire, black-comedy etc." are, in reality, sub-genres for titles that already have Comedy as a genre.  Logically, it would also seem that any title that has these sub-genres should also have Comedy as a genre, unless it has the "-scene" addendum.

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3 y ago

So...

Bad Girls, which I have also seen, needs the Action genre.  Perhaps it has been denied this because its main characters are female.  As the April 20, 1994 Variety review notes, it centers on "four comely cowgirls strapping on six guns and thundering across the plains" --a   "foxy foursome (who) mount up or square off against assorted bad boys."  Some of the action may be "mild," and some of the violence may be "toned down," but it still deserves the Action genre.

(No more to come at this point...)   

Champion

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Well, it is already in a Western genre, which tells a lot, although, of course, Western is not always Action and vice versa. 

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Yes.  But... it is also a "Drama" and not a "Comedy." etc.

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3 y ago

Reference numbers are in the first post in this thread.  I have 8, not 7, replies, one each for the original submissions.

By the way, there is no longer a way to provide proof for submissions, except this board, since the Miscellaneous categories and explanation options have been removed.

Champion

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3 y ago

Hi Bradley Kent,

I've resubmitted the above based on your comments for each title apart from It's My Party, see direct comment referencing the genre guidelines for comedy.

Regards,
Will

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3 y ago

Thanks.  I'll submit comic-relief as a keyword for It's My Party.  But Romance seems like an extremely valid genre.  Can it be added?

Champion

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3 y ago

Hi Bradley Kent,

Yes I've done so now.

Regards,
Will

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3 y ago

Thanks, Will.  I really think that the Romance and Comedy genre definitions need to be revised so they are more representative of the realities.  I will continue to be diligent about future genre submissions.  Thanks, again.

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1 y ago

I posted an Idea for genre sorting that would resolve this issue in most cases.  In one of my followup comments I explained how the automated voting system would prevent staff and users such as yourself from having to go thru a potentially tedious process in order to approve and agree on genres.  It's unlikely it will be implemented, but if enough votes accumulate maybe the staff will change their minds.

Genres for titles should be manually sortable