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Mon, Jul 30, 2018 5:08 AM

"f-rated"and "triple-f-rated" keywords

I know that these keywords are "special" to IMDb, but here's a problem:

Young & Reckless  (2016- )

has these two keywords at the series level, but submissions to delete them at the episode level to comply with IMDb guidelines are not being processed.

Please delete these two keywords from the episodes of this series.

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3 y ago

Hello Phil,
The "F-Rating" is to identify films (or TV series) that fairly represent women on screen and behind the camera. See http://f-rated.org/about/ 
 
Are you saying that this isn't the case here? 
 
     Steve

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3 y ago

No.  I'm saying that they're identified at the series level, so they are redundant when listed at the episode level.  That's an IMDb guideline.

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Correct, but to be fair, that guideline is defective, for one very specific reason thanks to a shortcoming in the Advanced Title Search. Episodes belonging to a series that has a particular keyword will not show up in search results for episodes bearing that keyword. The company either is not aware of this or does not care about it.

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3 y ago

Hello Phil, 
When did you make the submission to remove these keywords at episode level? Have you given enough time for your submissions to be processed, accepted & updated in the database? 
 
What is (or are) the Submission Reference number(s)? 
 
    Steve

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3 y ago

180725-004646-1450002018-07-25 00:46:46"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Let's Do This (Pilot) (#1.1)}
Keywords -  2 items deleted
180724-132421-3110002018-07-24 13:24:21"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Cabin in the Woods (#1.5)}
Keywords -  29 items deleted
180724-132217-5090002018-07-24 13:22:17"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Cupcakes (#1.4)}
Keywords -  29 items deleted
180724-132027-8980002018-07-24 13:20:27"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Leverage (#1.3)}
Keywords -  30 items deleted
180724-131829-6820002018-07-24 13:18:29"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Triple Axel (#1.2)}
Keywords -  29 items deleted
180724-131639-8810002018-07-24 13:16:39"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Let's Do This (Pilot) (#1.1)}
Keywords -  30 items deleted
180723-061532-0620002018-07-23 06:15:32"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Triple Axel (#1.2)}
Keywords -  1 item corrected
180723-061121-8810002018-07-23 06:11:21"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Leverage (#1.3)}
Keywords -  1 item corrected
180723-060958-6430002018-07-23 06:09:58"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Let's Do This (Pilot) (#1.1)}
Keywords -  1 item corrected
180723-060724-5880002018-07-23 06:07:24"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Cupcakes (#1.4)}
Keywords -  1 item corrected
180723-060511-7680002018-07-23 06:05:11"Young & Reckless" (2016) {Cabin in the Woods (#1.5)}
Keywords -  1 item corrected

Champion

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3 y ago

Shouldn't these be deleted at the series level and are only applicable to individual episodes. From the keyword guide:

f-rated Used for any title which is either directed by a woman and/or written by a womantriple-f-rated Used for any title which is directed by a woman, written by a woman and features significant women on screen in their own right
This does not seem to me that it could ever be applicable at a series level unless every single episode is written or directed by a woman.

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I could go either way, but in the specific case all five episodes appear to be directed and (co-)written by a woman.

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Peter,

I can kind of agree with you for this specific, rare case. However, this series does have an end year, so I don't know if no one bothered to close it out or if it is indeed on going. If it is an ongoing series, these keywords could become obsolete at any time which would force a conscientious contributor to have to delete the series level keywords and add them to the individual episodes that they are now appropriate too.

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It’s a web series of five episodes from 2016. There is no particular reason to think it is ongoing. Lots of series are listed as being without end dates because they need to be added manually.

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Peter web-series often have no consistent schedule due to budgeting issues. Of my own web-series which started in 2016 a few are technically ongoing but are yet to have new episodes released. 

Also there's "Lasagna Cat": first season in 2008, second... In 2017. With signs that work never stopped. 

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3 y ago

The guideline:  Episode-specific keywords submitted to the TV series page Keywords submitted to the TV series page should be relevant to and describe the entire series. Keywords that are specific to a particular episode should be added to that episode only.

Every episode of this series that has keywords has these two keywords, so they should exist only at the series level.  Otherwise, it's unnecessary duplication.

And, why should these two keywords be any different from other keywords?

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I would say this keywords are just a bit different since they deal with writing and directing credits. These are not generally credits that people associate at the series level. I see this is a very rare case since there are only 5 episodes. Writing and directing is generally only considered at the episode level.

Also, these keywords seem odd for a series that may be ongoing. It's from 2016 but doesn't have an end date. Any subsequent episode could have a male writer or director which would then make them not applicable at the series level.

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I rue the day that "f-rated" became a keyword, apparently replacing/duplicating the "title-directed-by-female" keyword, as well as related "title-written-by-female," title-photographed-by-female," "title-produced-by-female," etc., which seem much more appropriate for an episode than for a series as "episode-title-directed-by-female," "episode-title-written-by-female," etc..  I am a feminist as well as a film historian, and I appreciate these designations.  But...

"f-rated" just sounds too much life "f-word."

Perhaps "f-rated," "triple-f-rated," etc. should be banned for series level listing, unless validated for a series that has completed its run, and just allotted to episodes.

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Overall, I may add the meaning is pretty obscure for non-Americans. And as stated by Phil, I expected it to be related to the famous f* words.

Moreover, the information conveyed can be derived from crossing related data attached to the title (gender of director, writer, etc.), so they are redundant, and do not provide the specific information expected from keywords.

My 2 cents.

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3 y ago

Hi Phil -

I was able to see that your requests to remove the episode level keywords were not accepted as many TV Shows can have different directors per episode (some of which might not fulfill the f-rated criteria).  Concerning your feedback about re-naming the keyword, I have passed along your comments to our editorial team for review/consideration.

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3 y ago

So... I see no evidence of a decision.  Are these keywords for this series to exist ONLY at the series level, or ONLY at the episode level?  

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3 y ago

Hi all,

We see no issue with keeping the keyword at the series and episode level, as long as it applies to both. In this case Andrea Shawcross is listed as the creator of the series which would make the f-rated keyword apply to the series listing and all associated episodes, however the individual episodes also qualify as f-rated because they were also directed by a woman.

F-Rated is a recognized industry term and as such will not be renamed on IMDb.

Regards,
Will 

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Do you realize that this makes the f-rated keyword the ONLY keyword to which this applies?

The "f-rated" keyword, I believe, was originated by IMDb in a publicity release.  I have never heard of it as recognized by the industry.  Could you provide websites that refer to this keyword as "industry recognized"?

I guess "f-rated" is "the holiest of the holies," "the most sacred of the sacred," the most protected and special of all keywords?

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3 y ago

Hi Phil,

Yes we do.

The F Rating was first created in 2014 by Bath Film Festival's Holly Tarquini and adopted by IMDb.

Thanks,
Will