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Mon, Feb 18, 2019 1:13 AM

Fake ratings for a movie

I don't have any idea if anyone at IMDB will see this but anyway...

I'm here to talk about fake reviews targeting a unreleased movie. And to explain every single part of that, I should talk about the political situation that Brazil is living, but no, I don't have time, patience and knowledge to talk about, so i'll be fast on this (also my english s****).

In a nutshell, a lot of people are propositally rating the film as 1/10 because of divergent political opinion!

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3年前

The movie is Marighella

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Fake ratings for a movie 2.0.

In the last post I forgot to put some crucial infos on it, so here's the part 2

I don't have any idea if anyone at IMDB will see this but anyway...

I'm here to talk about fake reviews targeting a unreleased (on the movie theaters) movie (yeah, the movie was released in a Film Festival in Germany, but here in Brazil, the place where the hating is coming from, the movie will be released just in April 18th). And to explain every single part of that, I should talk about the political situation that Brazil is living, but no, I don't have time, patience and knowledge to talk about it, so i'll be fast on this (also my english s****).

The movie name is Marighella, and, in a nutshell, a lot of people are propositally rating the film as 1/10 because of divergent political opinion!

sorry for 2 same posts, i'm new here :)

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This great amount of reviews did not happen because of political differences, it was due to the Brazilians' revolt at seeing a terrorist assassin being exalted in a movie as if it were a hero. It was the revolt of the Brazilians to see the money of the taxpayers being used to manufacture an immoral lie.

Why a respected service like that has deleted the reviews from users about the movie Marighella? The reviews are from legitimate users who have come to give their opinion and discontent about this unethical movie by exalting a terrorist. Is it serious that IMDb is not interested in the true opinion of its users? Are they going to lose credibility like that?

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Watch the movie and them you can make the review you like. IMDB is about opinions about the movie itself as a form of art. Not about people who thinks a movie should not exists and why they think so. There're movies about the human side of Hitler. It's a piece of fiction. Based on real people. Watch the movie and then make a review. Until then, there's rules about making reviews about a movie you did not see yet. That's not permitted. And rules about organized people massively voting down a movie nobody has seen yet.

IMDB taken an action to preserve their credibility. The rating is about the crafting. About the performances. About screenplay, narrative. Is not about what you think about the subject or whatever. Those reviews will not come back. You and your friends were violating the rules. 

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3年前

Jorge: While IMDb does weight the user ratings (see https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/faq-for-imdb-ratings/G67Y87TFYYP6TWAV#), they are still going to include the ratings that people submit for Marighella. The same situation held when thousands of 1/10 votes were received for such films as Gunday and The Promise, also for political reasons. 

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Oh Boy - More Links !!!

Marighella  (2019)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/reference
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/releaseinfo - Germany - 15 February 2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/ratings - 10,196 IMDb users
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/reviews - 1,564 Reviews

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Ed Jones (XLIX)
... and who looked to see if there were 'New Users' Reviews -  You ? ?

Maybe the same person with many accounts ? ?

for Reviews and Ratings

How does one bulky Screen Grab help ? ?
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February 17 2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/ratings - 10,196 IMDb users
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/reviews - 1,564 Reviews
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February 18, 2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/ratings 0 IMDb users
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/reviews - 0 Reviews

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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/why-all-thousand-score-review-and-commens-of-the-marighella-...

Why all thousand score review and commens of the “Marighella” movie have disappeared today?
by Fabrício Becker Peske
Joined on February 18, 2019
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/fabr_cio_becker_peske

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled denunce.

haters destroyer the serious website movie. Marighella is only 2 times present on germany and million haters in brazil give down rates for politic demagogy. if this not change i start see Imdb not serious website, easy to influence
open rates for a movie not in comercial stream is very stupid. nobody see the movie. haters in brasil is a shit

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled There are groups on Facebook manipulating reviews for the movie Marighella.

A group that supports the Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, is encouraging people to give fake reviews. This movie is not available in Brazil, so there is no much people that have been watching the movie.

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Why all thousand score review and commens of the “Marighella” movie have disappea....

Movie review disappeared!!!

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Porque não eram avaliações reais sobre o filme. Era a ação coordenada de pessoas que não assistiram ao filme tentando baixar a nota artificialmente. Então eles removeram, como já aconteceu antes em ações parecidas de turbas ignorantes tentando influenciar as notas dos filmes.

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For the non-portuguese readers like most of us (thanks to deepl.com):

Because they weren't real evaluations of the film. It was the coordinated action of people who didn't watch the film trying to lower the score artificially. So they removed it, as has happened before in similar actions of ignorant mobs trying to influence the grades of the films.

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3年前

Thank you for reporting this issue, staff members are taking action on the title presently.

Regards,
Will

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Hi!  Will, Official Rep

3 or 4 times the normal quantity of Users registered February 17 2019
Perhaps they posted many Reviews and Ratings for other titles
Too late to look for that now ??
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ACT_1: I don't think they did this. They are not very bright and were just doing whatever they were told to do by social media right-wing groups.

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Will: At https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/faq-for-imdb-ratings/G67Y87TFYYP6TWAV#, it says, "... although we accept and consider all votes received by* users, not all votes have the same impact (or ‘weight’) on the final rating." However, I now see that all the previously submitted votes for Marighella have been deleted, leaving the film with no rating. (Or, at least, no more than 4 rating votes have been kept, since a film needs 5 votes to display a rating.)

That seems to contradict the policy of accepting and considering all votes received from users.

*Note: That should probably say "received from" instead of "received by".

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Marighella  (2019) 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/ratings 0

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/reviews - 1

https://www.imdb.com/review/rw4672141/
IMDb is censoring bad reviews. This movie is terrible and tells only lies. 
My first review was erased by IMDb, and not only mine, but everyone's!
18 February 2019
by ricardopthomaz
IMDb member since January 2010
https://www.imdb.com/user/ur22626574/
https://www.imdb.com/user/ur22626574/ratings - 370 titles
1. Marighella (2012) -  3.9  * 1
2. Marighella (2019) -  * 1 
https://www.imdb.com/user/ur22626574/reviews - 56 Reviews
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IMDB is a serious site.  i am a member because I believe in the seriousness of the site.  I do use it as a reference to watch movies.  I do not think IMDB should exercise censorship on the comments just because someone claims the comments are politically biased.  For instance: if somebody did a movie about Adolf Hitler depicting him through a black actor and claiming that Hitler was a "great leader"  (as former President Lula once did in an interview to Playboy magazine), OF COURSE there would be lots of criticism about this hypothetical movie.  Likewise, IMDB must reflect comments, not censor them.  Otherwise, instead of criticizing the terrorist Marighella and a bad movie about him, we would be criticizing IMDB.   

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When The Mechanism (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6873658/) received a lot of 1 ratings, IMDB did not want to get involved. Now when the role reversed, IMDB deleted all comments and ratings.

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Hi, Jonas Rabinovitch. I mean you no offense, but I wonder if what you claim misrepresents the criteria by which and the way IMDb actually filters out comments registered users intend to publish.

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Don’t throw your credit as a most important website about movies in the trash for this. The South America also is AMERICA, and also is FREE!

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3年前

Na realidade, não é necessário assistir ao filme para classificá-lo. Vindo de uma esquerda falida e de uma meia-boca socialista, o que se pode esperar?

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Please, this is an English speaking forum. Use an online translator before posting.

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You are wrong. You have to watch the movie to rate it. That's a basic information.

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3年前

When The Mechanism (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6873658/) received a lot of 1 ratings, IMDB did not want to get involved. Now when the role reversed, IMDB deleted all comments and ratings.

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https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/i-want-to-rate-mariguella-https-www-imdb-com-title-tt7825208
I want to rate "Mariguella"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208
rating option don't appear. Why?
by esmeralda .
Joined on February 18, 2019
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Vincent Fournols :
Now, considering the controversies that are raging
in another topic around this film,
it may be that IMDb has suspended ratings while the situation cools off.
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Does IMDb reset votes when being available again?
What do you think? I have to admit, probably I would have rated, maybe stopped, thinking about "hmm no" =)

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3年前

I see that Marighella has been shut off from receiving votes altogether. This appears to go against IMDb policy as stated at https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/faq-for-imdb-ratings/G67Y87TFYYP6TWAV# (emphasis added):
Various filters are applied to the raw data in order to eliminate and reduce attempts at vote stuffing by people more interested in changing the current rating of a movie than giving their true opinion of it. In order to ensure that our rating mechanism remains effective, we do not disclose the exact method used to generate the rating. However, please rest assured that the same calculations are used to generate the rating for every title listed in the database: we don’t adjust the rating for individual titles. There is no bias in how votes are weighted based on which title they have been cast for. ...

In rare instances, usually centered around movies whose content or subject matter are perceived as controversial or polarizing, we may notice efforts to influence the user rating for a title via organized mass voting campaigns and other similar tactics.

While it is our policy not to remove valid votes, please remember that IMDb already calculates weighted user averages using a mechanism, applied to all titles, which takes into consideration numerous techniques to artificially inflate/deflate a title's rating, and attempts to neutralize their impact.
I note that when The Promise (2016) had only been shown at one film festival and yet received thousands of politically motivated 1/10 votes, IMDb did not cut off voting for that film to protect it from negative votes. (See the discussion here and here.) Why, then, is Marighella receiving protection from negative votes? The same vote-weighting is supposed to be applied to all titles in the database.

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I note that when The Promise (2016) had only been shown at one film festival and yet received thousands of politically motivated 1/10 votes, IMDb did not cut off voting for that film to protect it from negative votes. (See the discussion here and here.) Why, then, is Marighella receiving protection from negative votes? The same vote-weighting is supposed to be applied to all titles in the database.
This because we evaluated the policy after the incident with The Promise and made policy changes for exactly this situation ... a one-off screening at a festival being spammed with reviews / votes (whether good or bad) which are mostly from people who could not possibly have seen it may cause us to block voting / reviewing on the title until such time as it is generally released somewhere. We have actually done this with other titles since 2016. 

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February 20, 2019

All this could be way much more fun on the IMDb Message Board

Marighella  (2019)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/board/

oooopppssss :-(

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Not much terrorist chat here ... yet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marighella_(2019)
Marighella (2019)
Marighella is a Brazilian movie to be released in 2019, directed by Wagner Moura
Created 19 February 2019‎ by User: ThiagoSousaSilveira

Someone should add a link here to the IMDb page ? ?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7825208

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EDIT
Added to Wiki page by _?_ Feb 20 after the above posted

Reception
The movie debuted at the 69th Berlin International Film Festival
on February 14, 2019,
but did not participate for the Golden Bear Award.

Several sources reported that internet bots
were used to reduce the movie rating on the IMDb website.
In response, IMDb deactivated ratings on the film's page.
By February 18, 2019,
the movie had more than 15000 ratings on IMDb
although the movie has not been released in theatres

References :

https://www.vice.com/pt_br/article/d3mxzw/bots-tentaram-derrubar-nota-de-marighella-no-imdb-mas-nao-...

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This because we evaluated the policy after the incident with The Promise and made policy changes for exactly this situation ... a one-off screening at a festival being spammed with reviews / votes (whether good or bad) which are mostly from people who could not possibly have seen it may cause us to block voting / reviewing on the title until such time as it is generally released somewhere. We have actually done this with other titles since 2016.

Thanks for letting us know. It's a pity measures like this should be taken, but with such great numbers of people willing to lie and vote for a title they haven't seen, I think this is the best thing to do.

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Why IMDb has deleted the reviews from users about the movie Marighella?.

Why a respected service like that has deleted the reviews from users about the movie Marighella?

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7825208/

The reviews are from legitimate users who have come to give their opinion and discontent about this unethical movie by exalting a terrorist. Is it serious that IMDb is not interested in the true opinion of its users? Are they going to lose credibility like that?

This great amount of reviews did not happen because of political differences, it was due to the Brazilians' revolt at seeing a terrorist assassin being exalted in a movie as if it were a hero. It was the revolt of the Brazilians to see the money of the taxpayers being used to manufacture an immoral lie

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3年前

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled About the completely undemocratic and biased to removement of the evaluations of ....

It is completely undemocratic and biased to remove the evaluations of the film Marighella for denunciation of political act. It is an unprecedented and unsubstantiated decision but the word of another. Do not lose your credibility as a world reference in film assessments because of a militant pothead like director Wagner Moura. If there are disgruntled people with the film we have the right to misjudge at any time. What happens when the film is effectively distributed? We'il vote equally. Please restaud the evaluations, please restore your credibility. Grateful, Eduardo

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I do object that IMDb has removed all ratings form that film, but I object much stronger that 20000 ratings were given to a film (which just had a couple of projections in Berlin) on political grounds tackled by the film instead of rating the film itself.

Furthermore:
It is completely undemocratic and biased to remove the evaluations
IMDb is not a political system but a data (credits) registry. Democracy has nothing to do with its management, let alone by a private corporation.

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Hi Ed, I think you are right. And the country is Brazil. Moreover, I am not sure that the 20000 votes pointed out by ACT were government driven but screenshots of facebook posts in portuguese have been posted here, testifying there were calls to vote negatively against the film, when it has been shown only in Berlin so far.

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3年前

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/marighella-s-rate-and-comments-censored

Marighella’s rate and comments censored
Why the rate and comments of Marighella movie were removed?
I think this is censorship, right?
Wagner Moura called you guys crying and asked to remove it?
Come on!!!

Posted February 19, 2019
by Paulo Holdorf
Joined on February 19, 2019
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/people/paulo_holdorf
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