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Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:48 PM

Fake Profiles Created to Fool People

The following pages are fake:
Karl Atticus http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5637108/
Culture Shock (1969) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/

They are fake pages for this movie Mortal Remains (2012) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2963536/ which should have the documentary tag removed as it is pure fiction. The creators just made fake pages on this site as well as Wikipedia to fool some people into thinking their movie is real.

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7 years ago

You mentioned that you were looking for the cast list for the movie Mortal Remains 2012? I found it on the IMDb page for the movie at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188831/.


That is the fake cast list - clearly if Atticus never existed, he can't appear as himself in the film. We need to know who the actor who played him was and I assume actors played some of the other self credits.

You also mentioned that that film may be fake?


No I didn't, we know the 2012 is real. However, on the fake Wikipedia article it mentions another film by Atticus also called Mortal Remains - the recent documentary about Atticus, which does exist, is clearly named after the non-existent earlier film.

So I thought I'd call the Institute. Sure enough, a film by that name did recently play there.


If you genuinely did that, then you've wasted your time and resources. Not just because Atticus and his films are fake, but because you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Has anybody even tried to make contact through the Facebook site?


I'm not on there, but what would the point be if they went to all the trouble of creating fake Wikipedia articles and IMDB entries? The pages on IMDB are fake and need removing, their input isn't really needed on that.

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7 years ago

Morning fellas,

I was up pretty late last evening, continuing my investigation. From what information I have gathered personally, everything, except the "real" 2012 film, is all a myth. I just needed to confirm this for myself. (No offense, but just because you two and a Wikipedia administrator claim false pretense, that is hardly an empirical assessment enough for someone like me to put my reputation on the line, if I didn't confirm this all for myself.)

My interests are focused less on THAT these "fake" IMDb pages exist(ed), and more so on who posted this stuff and why. Is it simply an advertising campaign? Why take that risk and potential legal ramifications just to promote a film? And, is there an advantage to eliminating those pages now, for some reason. (Who might be "clearing the record" or their tracks, at least.)

Jonathan claims, in his original post, that it was the "filmmakers" that made both the IMDb posts and the Wikipedia reference pages. Seems like he has intimate knowledge? This has peaked my curiosity. That's a pretty bold claim, to make such a connection. It's even more suspicious for whoever contacted Wikipedia to have completely erased their tracks (create an account, do the deed and quickly erase their account - or "hit and run" as you refer to it. And I must say, Jonathan has remained suspiciously silent [overall] throughout this conversation.)

That's what I am mainly interested in. The minds behind this activity and "who" all is part of this picture. I sense there is a clean scrubbing happening and it is happening quickly, on multiple sites with efficient reaction (not just IMDb and Wikipedia, but a host of other sites that I have encountered in my research). If this happens to be the filmmakers themselves sweeping this under the rug, then the only time I have to act is now. I have my reasons and I thank you for your time.

I sense this thread is not particularly interested in my angle, so I think I'll just take the chat to another source and proceed from there. My apologies if you feel I have wasted your time. But I thank you all the same.

I'll be in touch, that is, if this post is still being maintained and I can find some more interesting concrete info!

P.S. Emperor, why wouldn't a gal like me make a call to the A.F.I. In full disclosure, I am not only a conspiracy theorist, I am also a private investigator. And no, I am not connected with the filmmakers if you are still wondering. I am coming in from a completely different angle, that I can't really disclose in a public forum such as this... at least, at this time. But thanks for your informative research. Best

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7 years ago

The reason I said the IMDb page was made by the company who made the movie is the Karl Atticus IMDb page is listed on their website.

The pages were obviously created as part of an advertising campaign. There are several posts on forums as well as news sites where people are trying to say Karl Atticus was real. People will then probably search for him and upon finding the fake pages think he is real and their interest in the movie will be piqued.

Also, if you read the interview with the creators (the one they pretend it is real in), they say it will be marketed like found-footage films. One of the people responsible for the Blair Witch Project is involved in this. If you remember, the Blair Witch Project was marketed as real.

The reason I have not posted much here is Emperor was addressing all your concerns before I checked back.

To answer one of your other concerns, I was also the person who posted that the pages on Wikipedia were fake. I never deleted my account. I just didn't create a user page, which is why the name I use there shows up as red.

The reason I wanted these fake pages taken care of is they undermine the reputability of the sites.

I am curious what your ultimate goal is. I know you don't want to say it on a public forum. If you don't mind emailing me it, my address is at gmail and is jonathan.atn

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7 years ago

One more thing. I think I actually found out about this movie the same place as you did, at a conspiracy forum. Before posts were deleted there, they said the thread might need to be flushed, as it was trying to start an urban legend.

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7 years ago

Is it simply an advertising campaign? Why take that risk and potential legal ramifications just to promote a film?


I don't see any problems - no one has ever been sued over a fake Wikipedia article or IMDB entry, the courts would be full to the brim if that were the case. The only downside for them is the one I mentioned - the bar for them getting their actual film on Wikipedia is no set higher as they added a fake film of the same name. Other than that, it is largely all positive for them.

And, is there an advantage to eliminating those pages now, for some reason. (Who might be "clearing the record" or their tracks, at least.)


It is important to get rid of them now, as they've clearly been used as part of the leverage for demonstrating that it exists (all the other "sources" they used on Wikipedia were offline, which made it difficult for people to check), and then you could end up in a circular situation where someone watching the documentary finds the information on other sites, largely based on IMDB and then they try and add the information back in. You need to pinch this in the bud asap.

It's even more suspicious for whoever contacted Wikipedia to have completely erased their tracks (create an account, do the deed and quickly erase their account - or "hit and run" as you refer to it.


When I mentioned "hit and run" accounts, you will notice I did this in the context of saying this didn't happen - an admin did it, which means a long period of editing Wikipedia, followed by a nomination process and they are still active on their now.

And no, I am not connected with the filmmakers if you are still wondering.


I am still not giving up that possibility quite yet - that you are here to scatter enough misinformation to cast doubt in the mind of admins and keep the entries up as long as possible.

Then again, you are helping keep this thread bumped, so it is win-win ;)