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Evidence in support of Rae Sunshine Lee credit corrections.

Please see below some evidence in support of update 141109-133014-582000 for the 2005 film A Taste of Fear: Return of the Cleveland Torso Killer

In this update I have:

1) Corrected the on-screen credit for Rae Sunshine Lee as actress; she appears 'as Rea Lee'.



2) Corrected the on-screen credit for Rae Sunshine Lee as production manager; she appears 'as Rea Lee'.

3) Corrected the producer credit for Kristephan Warren-Stevens; he is an executive producer, not a producer.



4) Deleted the various producer credits for Liz BauerRae Sunshine LeePaul PattersonMarlaine Pitton, and Clara Rosenberg - none of these people have these credits on this film.

5) Deleted the credit for Rae Sunshine Lee as 'graphic design'; there is no such credit on this film.

bob
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Rae,
Typos don't get "corrected" by IMDb, they get documented. Take a look at the Annie Hall page, for an example. There  are many names spelled wrong there and IMDb has documented that correctly. It would be the same for you. If your name is spelled wrong in the credits it'll go on your page but there will be a note that it was spelled differently on screen. Contacting the person who made the mistake won't help or be needed unless you just want to embarrass him.

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7 y ago

Please see below some evidence in support of update 141109-180733-075000 for the short film Pounders Cafe.

This is not really a film but a television commercial for Pounders Cafe down on East Bridge Street in Elyria.

Currently Rae Sunshine Lee is listed as being credited on-screen in the role of "Grace". I can confirm that she is not credited on-screen in this role....primarily because this is a commercial and thus there are no credits!

However, please see below proof that she 100% participated in this film, and as such my update is to add (uncredited) to her IMDb listing for this film, and since no character name is actually mention, I have changed this to be 'Blind date'.



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Again, I do not understand. You say in the comments of the video(s) that you posted on Vimeo that the "Pounders Cafe "is a commercial and that "The Deep Dark Woods: No Witnesses" is a horror film, or did I misconstrue that? Is it the other way around? Doesn't seem likely.

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luvs,
Yes, I saw that too which is why I mentioned Pounders Cafe it was a commercial just as said Sunshine said:



But then here she says the opposite?!?

It is indeed confusing isn't it?!?!

We should be super glad that Sunshine is here to keep us on track and help with all these updates that we need to do since, as Craig said, so many of her IMDb credits are factually incorrect at the moment....

bob
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Pleasure episode of Check It Out With Dr. Steven Brule, season 2, episode 2, they used footage of me from season 1 and put it in season 2, which gave me another credit as Susan Brule The editor forgot to put my name in the credits on that particular episode
Sunshine,
That is tremendous - no need to scan the document, but you are totally right - your IMDb credit for the Pleasure episode of Check It Out! with Dr. Steve Brule should be 'uncredited' since they did not put your name on the screen.

Really appreciate your help with that and in return I've saved you the time to do the update yourself and I have done update 141109-192343-432000 to list this as (uncredited).

Great to have you here to help with this and make sure we get it right!

bob
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7 y ago

Please see below some evidence in support of update 141109-191234-691000 for episode James Rolf High School Twentieth Reunion of the show Party Down.

Currently Rae Sunshine Lee and Gregg Lee are listed as being credited on-screen in the roles of mother and father of graduating student.

I can confirm that neither are credited on-screen in these role; the shot below is the credits outside of the main cast and their names do not appear anywhere:



I have done the update to list them both as (uncredited), but again with this one I have not been able to find them.....I wonder can Sunshine help pinpoint where she was in this episode so i can prove it for IMDb editors with a screenshot that proves she participated in the show?

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I'm not sure, but could she possibly be the brunette woman at the 24:03 mark?

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Next one: Phantom Planet: Dropped (2008).
Again, Rae Sunshine Lee isn't credited on screen, but she took part in the video playing 'Brenda'. I've modified the character name and added the '(uncredited)' attribute in 141109-192540-569000.

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He isn't jealous, really. Dozens of Contributors spend hours each week " auditing" credits of all types trying to get them to accurately reflect what is on screen. We work really hard to follow the Contributors' Charter and all of the guidelines. We communicate with staff in order to clarify rules, guidelines, etc. It is an unpaid hobby for many. We do it film by film, or show by show, or name by name. We have found many people who have "bulked up their credits" with false information and when that happens, we almost always vet every credit we can find.

I've done this for companies which have claimed on screen credit for work they never did. They then used the IMDb page as evidence of their "good work" in on- line advertising. When I checked, I found none of their claimed credits were accurate...none of them. Was I jealous of them? No! I was simply PO that they usurped the system for their own purposes and created a mess for others to clean up.

The IMDb page about you isn't your page. It is supposed to reflect WHAT APPEARS ON SCREEN. But you know that, I know you do. So, report away. Tell IMDb how horrible Bob or Blues, or I am for trying to make accurate and factual corrections to THEIR database. That is what we think they wish from ALL if their contributors.

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OH MY GOODNESS. Did you really just say that? WOW!

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If an African American can be made up to portray a Caucasian what makes you think a Caucasian can't play a Vietnamese girl?
Sunshine,
I'm sorry - is that a hypothetical question?

If so then yes, I know that make-up exists.....

But if it is a question that you are asking in relation to your currently list as playing Kimmy in Mulligan's Stew? Are you suggesting that the girl below is you in make-up?


Keeping in mind of course that in 1977 (2 years after the shot above was taken) that you looked like this:


So, to answer your question: Yes I have heard of make-up, but I do not believe that you played Kimmy in Mulligan's Stew.

To bring it to a close though, are you saying this is really you in make-up and that this credit is yours?

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Sunshine,
If I posted any pictures or screenshots for which I needed permission then please link to them....all of these were in the public domain (indeed, all the ones from TV and films exist for the public to see!)....so if one of them needed permission or is breaking a law then please tell me urgently so I can ask IMDb staff to remove it urgently.

I note you didn't answer the question: are you saying that you played the Vietnamese child Kimmy in Mulligan's Stew?

Are you saying this credit does not need to be corrected on IMDb and that this girl below is you?



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"Was I jealous of them? No! I was simply PO that they usurped the system for their own purposes and created a mess for others to clean up."

So you're a warrior for justice are you? If it's not jealousy, then I fail to believe you get no pleasure or power trip out of doing this.

Some of these corrections are so pedantic it's untrue...

A) Just because a name isn't explicitly credited does not mean Sunshine was not involved in a role or position.

B) Lots of actors have multiple titles, pseudonyms or second surnames (commonly from marriage). Would you try to remove credits for 'The Rock' or Jessica Heinz? No, of course not.

C) Sunshine has done lots of extra work in the past, and as we know, their faces are not always clearly shown on camera. Does this make her credit invalid?

Please just get a life and stop trawling through the work of an honest actress, while looking for 'mistakes'. Whatever professional reason you put behind this, it is getting very personal.

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MetalEdd,
A) Just because a name isn't explicitly credited does not mean Sunshine was not involved in a role or position.
You are absolutely right and I totally agree with you. This is why the vast majority of the credits where I saw that she did not have her name in the credits, I made sure to find her in the film to prove to IMDb staff that she was involved, so the change was to add a note that she was (uncredited), not to remove the credit.

I think it is great we agree on that!
B) Lots of actors have multiple titles, pseudonyms or second surnames (commonly from marriage). Would you try to remove credits for 'The Rock' or Jessica Heinz? No, of course not.
Again we totally agree - I would not try to remove credits due to different names...and I have not removed credits from Sunshine just because she was credited under a different name, or as a misspelt name....I merely added the database to note the different name used, so that there would be no question that it was not her. Look at the listing for Annie Hall - lots of very famous actors had their names mispelt, IMDb just adds a note that this is the case - just as I have done here.

So I totally agree with you - and none of Sunshine's credits have been removed where her name is slightly different. Not one.
C) Sunshine has done lots of extra work in the past, and as we know, their faces are not always clearly shown on camera. Does this make her credit invalid?
It certainly does not make her work less valuable, or anything like this, and for sure the work of extras is often vital to making a scene feel real and alive.....but yes, under IMDb rules, not having your face clearly on camera or being recognizable means it should not be listed on IMDb, even as (uncredited).

They say it thus:
6. For cast/acting appearances, you must be identifiable and featured on-screen in the final released cut of the film. In other words, it's not enough to have worked on a production: your scenes must be included in the final cut and it must be possible to easily identify your appearance (i.e. background work as a crowd member or a similar role where it's impossible to recognize the subject are not eligible).
So I am sorry for that, but this is what the IMDb staff say; if you disagree with that then the discussion should be held with them....not a regular user like myself - I have no influence on site policy at all!

I think we agree on the majority of the points you make....this was a positive interaction, thank you!

bob
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" I made sure to find her in the film to prove to IMDb staff that she was involved"

Not necessary. Sunshine did not request, nor does she appreciate your 'assistance'.

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MetalEdd,
 Sunshine did not request, nor does she appreciate your 'assistance'.
Actually Sunshine did request help on her credits - on the show Your Honor! She also requested support on the 5-Minute Sketch Show.

But, yes, I know she did not request her other factually incorrect credits on IMDb be corrected...this is something we do for the accuracy of IMDb - all users can make changes...IMDb staff review them and try to ensure only accurate data is listed.

This thread, and the data provided to IMDb are to assist IMDb staff in achieving their goal of accurate data.

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Additionally, in some cases, other people asked for assistance regarding Sunshine's page having false information, like claiming she used make-up to appear as a shorter, asian girl, as you can see in:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/rae-sunshine-lee

It's not all about Sunshine and what she wants. It's about having a site that is reliable for its users.

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She never once stated that she played a Vietnamese girl. She made a comment about make up, but the point she was trying to illustrate is that you're using your own judgement to make these alterations. Considering you needed Sunshines help to correct some of your errors already, it is clear that your particular judgement probably isn't what she wanted her page to be subjected to.

There has been an awful lot of focus on her page specifically, and it's not like imdb have personally asked you to make any corrections or go hunting for "proof". So like I say, it's getting personal now.

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MetalEdd,
You are right and blues is incorrect - Sunshine never actually said this role was her in makeup to make her appear to be a Vietnamese child.

However, when asked about this credit her response was to point out that a white actress could play an Asian child due to make-up....but no she did not say this is what happened here!

However she also never said 'no, this was not me - I should not have the credit for this work'.....even though we asked several times what the make-up comment meant.....

And there was no 'judgement' apart that credit on mulligan's Stew, apart from the judgement of IMDb staff. Screenshots from the late 1970's were provided that clearly showed these were 2 different people - and my update was to remove this credit from Sunshine's IMDb credits, and credit it to the correct actress.

The IMDb staff reviewed this and used their judgement to make the decision. If there is any issue with judgement then again it should be addressed towards the IMDb staff....not those users with no influence on such things.

bob
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Of course there is no judgement, you failed to prove that there were any mistakes. Didn't stop you trying though did it?

The very fact you went digging through her work specifically (and in great amounts) is what she has a problem with. She feels like you were specifically targeting her, which I'd have to agree with.

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 you failed to prove that there were any mistakes
MetalEdd,
After so much agreement between us I am afraid I must disagree with you....there were many errors on Sunshine's IMDb page:

- credits listed against her name that were another person's work
- credits which were not what the onscreen credit actually said
- credits listed as being an on-screen name check, which were not
- credits included on the database even though they did not meet eligibility requirements

You are right - in some cases there was no mistake and i provided proof to IMDb that the credit was 100% correct.

However to say there were no mistakes is incorrect....it is starting to be correct now as IMDb staff are confirming the mistakes and correcting them.

If you say there were no mistakes to be corrected, please do point out where I have corrected something that was fully correct - I would not want to have done such a thing and will address it immediately of course.

bob
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7 y ago

IMDb Data Editors,
Please see below some evidence in support of update 141109-205741-930000 for the title Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! Chrimbus Special.

In this title, Rae Sunshine Lee is listed on IMDb as having an onscreen credit with this name, playing a role called "Dominatrix in Spoof Commercial".

I can confirm that this is partially correct, but not totally. As you see below she appears under the name 'Sunshine Lee', so my update is to add (as Sunshine Lee) to the credit.



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Let's go with Belle's - One Big Happy Family (2013):


As it's shown above, neither Rae Sunshine Lee's name nor Mike Jerome Putnam's appear in the credits, so I've send the update 141109-213003-423000 to add the '(uncredited)' attribute to both items.
This time I've been unable to identify anybody that resembles Sunshine in the episode. The only person that never shows her face is the woman in blue at the bottom.

Regarding uncredited appearances, the guide state (underline added):
According to the guides, It is not enough to have just worked on a production: Their scenes must be included in the final cut and it must be possible to easily identify their appearance.
Hence, would you please Sunshine indicate us where you are in the episode so we can make sure that nobody request this credit to be deleted? Thank you!

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7 y ago

A big thank you to IMDB Staff.....we see a lot of people complain that IMDb is slow to make changes, but it is obvious from this thread that when proof is provided, IMDb are very fast to act.

So for example so many of the updates and linked proof provided to IMDb staff today have already been reviewed, the original data has been found to be incorrect, and the changes have already been made!

So all of these below this morning had incorrectly stated that Sunshine's name appeared on screen as 'Rae Sunshine Lee', but now IMDb has been corrected.









Thank you IMDb for being so quick to correct these incorrect listings.

Super job!

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That would seem to say that you are a very trusted contributor. I love it!

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That would seem to say that you are a very trusted contributor.
Perhaps, but I think that when you link to evidence and it is clear at a glance that the update is 100% correct then their job is made easy.

I thanked IMDb but I forgot to thank Sunshine - without her help on this thread some of these corrections would not have been possible...pointing out where she was in a scene where we was only on screen for a split second - but we were able to confirm she was there thanks to her pointing it out.

I think this thread is a model of how people can work together to ensure IMDb listings are correct - and it is encouraging that the staff agree and have responded by being so quick!

I thank God for the great cooperative spirit on this thread!

Amen.

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Today's last: Kroll Show - Can I finish? (2013):


In 141109-230624-159000 I've added one '(as...)' attribute and 13 '(uncredited)' attributes (Rae Sunshine Lee's one among them).

I'd like to join in the thanks to the staff for their diligence in processing the updates of this (hard) weekend... Together we'll make this site better!

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Rae,
I was in the restaurant sitting across from aq greek male actor. Wow. I wonder if you guys get picked on on your real; jobs as much as you seem to want to pick apart mine. Please do your own research and leave me alone.
But it is your research. Having evidence of you appearing on screen is required to get your credit listed on your page and will make it so it cannot be removed by anyone else later. I don't know why you don't understand that. Not to sound mean but no one cares about you. They're doing it so the pages are accurate. And that's all.

If you're not listed in the on screen credits then your face needs to appear recognizable on the screen. So if you don't want to help, don't. But that might mean the credit is removed completely.

Again if you could take the time to read the guides for submitting credits you'd see this is the case.

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7 y ago

Staff,
I have been contacted by a respected and trusted member of the community who has been appointed by IMDb to provide specialist advice.

It has been made clear to me that I have made an error in some of my updates. I apologize for this and please below for the correction.

In the following titles, it was confirmed that Rae Sunshine Lee was not listed in the credits, and as such I made a change to have these be (uncredited). However in the following cases it was confirmed that Rae Sunshine Lee was not visible in the title, or that she was on screen for a split second far in the distance or with her back to camera.

While I totally accept that Rae Sunshine Lee worked on these titles, this does not fit with the guidance from IMDb that the person appointed by IMDb pointed out to me.
Specifically:
6. For cast/acting appearances, you must be identifiable and featured on-screen in the final released cut of the film. In other words, it's not enough to have worked on a production: your scenes must be included in the final cut and it must be possible to easily identify your appearance (i.e. background work as a crowd member or a similar role where it's impossible to recognize the subject are not eligible).
Accordingly I have done the following updates to delete the credits of Rae Sunshine Lee in the following titles:
Sorry for being too lenient with these credits - I should have followed the IMDb guidance and updated to delete rather than (uncredited).

Thanks for your patience.

bob
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