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Duplicate page problem- merge option seems like a bad idea. Need help. Long standing, issue.

Back in 2011, my former film partner, without my consent, started a film page on IMDB for the film we were working on and deemed the film "released" after a screening I didn't authorize. He was fired and removed from the project. Because this partner also had media coverage of this event, when I talked with IMDB legal in 2014 over bringing down the page or re-starting it, I was told no- because even though I "alleged" the screening illegal, a fact was a fact proven by publication and that the page had to stand. This was IMDB's policy. I was floored. I told legal that I was the copyright owner of the film and could prove chain of title and copyright and still was told no. Unbelievable. Its been 6 years of torment.

Fast forward to today. Recently I attained distribution for my film with a major distributor. I was able to create a second page with all the correct information and release date of 2017. Also there is a link that follows to the Amazon product page showing public proof of a legitimate tangible product. This is good. However, recently this former partner noticed I got distribution for my film and vindictively uploaded a bootleg film for free viewing attached to the old page. IMDB copyright was swift to remove it. So after doing some research on getting the old page removed I found info that says the old page has to be merged. Can you see how this is a very risky option for me considering my former partner's track record and IMDB's stance? I am tired of being bullied by that old page. I have not listed anything in the way of page links in this complaint until I get to speak to someone who will help resolve this cyber bullying once and for all. Thanks for your attention in this matter.

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One issue here is that while some company/producer/individual/etc has a copyright to the project, they don't really have any "copyright" for the IMDb page. What matters the most are the actual credits of the fim/series/project. Credited names are eligible to have their name included in the IMDb. With that in mind, was there some errors in the "original" entry?

Secondly, IMDb doesn't really want to "re-start" title pages. They prefer that the errors from the original page are corrected and information updated. Again, film/series/project has the opening and end credits and that's what IMDb wants to list. While not necessarily easy, the easiest way still is to merge these two pages, correct the errors and update the information. Your former partner's track record is not the issue here if the info is eventually corrected (=follows the actual credits). They don't list who "started/created" the page anyway.

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@Eboy, same film, should be merged.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2768399/

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Yes, it seems that way. It premiered (or was at least shown) in 2011 San Antonio Film Festival:
http://m.mysanantonio.com/entertainme...

Based on the credits (2011 and 2017 entries), the main issues:

- 2011 entry lists only one director (Dino Reyes), while the 2017 entry has two directors (and Reyes is not listed at all).
- 2011 has no writers, while 2017 has one.
- 2011 has one additional actor (Ryan Lee, Auction kid), and 2017 has also one additional actor (Michelle Manx Sefcik, Green lady).
- 2011 has one additional line producer (Ken Lewin). I also assume that exe producer John Paris/John Andrew Paris is listed with two different names (these names should be merged?). Also cinematographer Christopher/Chris Webb has now two names on IMDb.
- Editor is different person on both entries.
- 2011 has graphic artists listed.
- Sound personnel differ.
ETC (sorry, I lost steam to check these all)

I believe the main question now is that who of these personnel are actually listed in the credits? Were some of them first listed in the "film festival" credits and then later removed for the "2017 version"? Was the 2011 "film festival" version drastically different than the 2017 version? Or maybe some of the names from the 2011 version were simply removed from the 2017 credits (even when they did some work for the project) and are now disputing the credits?

I believe these issues should be resolved BEFORE merging 2011 and 2017 entries.

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I'd say you're spot on there @Eboy.
Or maybe some of the names from the 2011 version were simply removed from the 2017 credits (even when they did some work for the project)
(He was fired and removed from the project.)

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Now there's a bootleg movie tied to the old page. Nice work IMDB. The bootleg has been uploaded by Dino Reyes who was fired from the project 6 years ago for breach of contract and copyright infringement. DO NOT MERGE THESE PAGES. I will contact my distributor. The credits on the updated page are what need to be there. Nothing more, nothing less. I tried to add Ryan Lee but it hasn't been updated. James Herron was never part of the production and neither was Bill Donnelly. The final credits for this now distributed film do not include Dino Reyes and Jessica Schoen. After Dino Reyes was fired he continued working on the film and produced a bootleg. He's a total nut. I've had countless bootlegs removed from the web that he has uploaded. He has been reported to the FBI for copyright infringement.   He has no rights or ownership but IMDB's horrible policies give him the ability to harass me and my business. He hurt the film and my business and in our operating agreements he was never guaranteed a directors credit. 

What matters the most here is cyber bullying and copyright infringement. I may not own the page but my property is being used against me in the old page. Empowering a crazy, vindictive nut job that I fired 6 years ago is a real issue here. 

EBoy said this:

"I believe the main question now is that who of these personnel are actually listed in the credits? Were some of them first listed in the "film festival" credits and then later removed for the "2017 version"? Was the 2011 "film festival" version drastically different than the 2017 version? Or maybe some of the names from the 2011 version were simply removed from the 2017 credits (even when they did some work for the project) and are now disputing the credits? "

Eboy- none of that matters. This is my property. Its a business and I'm tired of it being misrepresented. FORGET 2011. It was an illegal screening that ended someone's job. I didn't consent to the original page. Stop thinking inside of this insane box that IMDB operates inside. 

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I'm just reporting how IMDb usually operates. It doesn't want to "delete" information (at least easily). And it doesn't really help that two pages for the same film are created (it always brings some additional hassle). It also doesn't help that two IMDb names are created for the certain persons (again, potential confusion etc).

But fair enough. If that fist film festival "premiere" was not authorized, it wasn't official premiere of the final version, the film basically was not ready and the credits were (partly) wrong, I believe it's worth considering that IMDb would delete it. It's not up to me, though.

Maybe you could add screenshots of the credits to this thread? In that way IMDb data editors can confirm all the credited cast & crew and also how they're credited.

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It was screened in 2010 at : 
http://cinesol.com/news/2010-movie-synopsis
was that illegal too?
FORGET 2011. It was an illegal screening that ended someone's job. 

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The screening in 2010 was a screening for family and friends.It was done in my home town. Not a release of the film. It had many problems. Toward the end of the film the voice was strangely out of synch with the picture which I could not for the life of me, not figure out why and the mix was mono. After  asking around and talking with the projectionist, I found out that at that screening Dino Reyes had switched copies of the screener with his "superior" update. So in essence, it was a copy, unapproved by the production copy, making it illegal.

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The CineSol Film Festival is a public event .
So, then there are two illegal public screenings 2010 and 2011.

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Credit screenshots coming

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Walter - are you trying to help me? I haven't seen you ask about the bootleg that is now attached to the old page. I've alerted the copyright department about it. They were swift to take it away last time but of course this demon uploads this stuff on the weekend so it has potential to hurt my business. He should be permanently banned from IMDB. I will make my case to that effect as his activities are meant to harm. Facebook was quick to remove his fake "Movie Fan Page which featured a bootleg of the film for free viewing. He also filed a false DMCA claim against my film on VimeoOn Demand- which is perjury. You do understand that when a film gets distribution, that the distributor wants to see proof of copyright, chain of title and Errors and Omissions insurance from the owner? This has all been taken care of or Gravitas Ventures would not have signed me. Should I alert the CEO? I think I should.

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Who the hell put my release date to 2010?!?! Its a new film!! 2017 is the release date!

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I came here to get help. Not the opposite of help. It has been publicly recognized that my film was release on March 7, 2017. Who would try to do something like that? 

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I came here to get help. Not the opposite of help. It has been publicly recognized that my film was release on March 7, 2017. Who would try to do something like that? 

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Ok. Because you insist on making a 2010 date, Let me make this clear. The page located here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1098313/ known as the old page should have the 2010 date. It was under the production company Bajakaloop! LLC. That company lost the copyright on October 26, 2012 when post production of the film was not complete. There was a reversion clause in the contract that stated all materials were to revert back to the Author(John A Paris) for his(my) dispersement. In 2013 I formed Grexican Films LLC and had to start the film over. No working files. The film Andy Paris: Bubble Gum King was completed in 2016 and released by Gravitas Ventures on March 7, 2017- which this page http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6624858/ should have the 2017 date.

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Actually looks like it was first shown 9 February 2017
https://www.facebook.com/events/304437066625395/

But I agree 2 different films.

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Its either 2 different films or One film release in 2017. But putting a 2010 date on my brand new just released film is vey damaging. Not help! I came here for HELP.

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The Feb 9 date was an unofficial, free of charge, promotional screening to bring awareness to the official release date of March 7, 2017.

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The Feb 9 date is then considered the release date. The release date is the first public showing of the film.

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John, people here are trying to help but some of these issues can be a bit tricky. The fact alone that by deleting the "2011 entry" will also delete credits from selected cast&crew (also from others than your ex-business partner) can be problematic. That's probably one big reason why IMDb is often reluctant to delete credits - they don't always know the reasons "behind the scenes". I mean how many people could lose their credits just because producers, directors and production companies can't get along?

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I think we're losing the issue here, and I do appreciate the help if I can get it.  The issue is:  A prior company (my prior company), whether authorized by my company or not, has a record out there for a SCREENER and yes, non-production copy of my film.  (not yelling, just emphasizing).  The production was never completed by that company (Bajakaloop! LLC).  But it was completed by my subsequent company, Grexican Films LLC.   Last week I put out a new record for the PRODUCTION version of the film by Grexican Films LLC, distributor Gravitas Ventures LLC, released March 7, 2017. (Check Amazon, iTunes, etc.)  That production is hereby completed, distributed by Gravitas, currently available on multiple platforms, and needs to be accurately represented on IMDB.  Its release date is 2017.  Whether IMDB continues to insist on maintaining this old Bajakaloop! 2010  screener is annoying to me and is facilitating additional unauthorized activity by my prior employee, but is not our first priority:  We must have the production version (2017) restored to is correct state (as was entered last week) and, at best and to avoid continual confusion in our marketplace, we would really like to have the unfinished, screener version removed.  We can appreciate your assertion about the credits, but a quick glance between the two indicates that the cast and crew is the same, and moreover, ONLY the 2017 version is true to the production that is being distributed in the marketplace.  We would prefer one record, but, we MUST have  and deserve by way of factual information that our  Grexican Films LLC production has its stand-alone 2017 record.  It is just essential to sales and it is factually true and correct for the production of this film.  The production version was shown on Feb 9, 2017 at the Mexican American Cultural Center here in Austin, and was subsequently shown on March 7, 2017 (same location) on the film's official release date.  All of this information can be found on the Grexican record (which was for whatever reason turned to 2010 - actually prior to the formation of Grexican Films LLC - so that IS wrong and needs correction).  

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(quote)
"It was under the production company Bajakaloop! LLC. That company lost the copyright on October 26, 2012 when post production of the film was not complete. There was a reversion clause in the contract that stated all materials were to revert back to the Author(John A Paris) for his(my) dispersement. In 2013 I formed Grexican Films LLC and had to start the film over. "

My personal opinion here, but this info could be crucial. I mean if the "2011 entry" (referring to IMDb) was NOT finished (post production was not complete etc), then the "unfinished" film was added to IMDb (at that time) and shown at some of the festivals. Based on that info, IMDb could be willing to rethink their stance and it could be deleted. But like I said, this is just my personal opinion.

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He says he was at the 2010 CineSol Film Festival with Dino Reyes where the film was shown, so if it was an 'unfinished' film why did he show it and why did he attend with Dino Reyes.
It looks like the 2010 showing was a legit showing of the film where they both attended.
Maybe they fell out after that.
I don't know the answers, this is a complicated story with lots of twists and turns. Could make a good film on its own.

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I obviously don't know what happen, when and why, but it's not uncommon that the "unfinished" film will be shown at some selected film festivals. And "unfinished"can mean several things in the first place (it can be edited version, but still a workprint/rough cut/first cut/etc).

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I shall send one of my Taepodong-2 missiles to my uncle Col and see if he can resolve this.

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I think we're losing the issue here, and I do appreciate the help if I can get it.  The issue is:  A prior company (my prior company), whether authorized by my company or not, has a record out there for a SCREENER and yes, non-production copy of my film.  (not yelling, just emphasizing).  The production was never completed by that company (Bajakaloop! LLC).  But it was completed by my subsequent company, Grexican Films LLC.   Last week I put out a new record for the PRODUCTION version of the film by Grexican Films LLC, distributor Gravitas Ventures LLC, released March 7, 2017. (Check Amazon, iTunes, etc.)  That production is hereby completed, distributed by Gravitas, currently available on multiple platforms, and needs to be accurately represented on IMDB.  Its release date is 2017.  Whether IMDB continues to insist on maintaining this old Bajakaloop! 2010  screener is annoying to me and is facilitating additional unauthorized activity by my prior employee, but is not our first priority:  We must have the production version (2017) restored to is correct state (as was entered last week) and, at best and to avoid continual confusion in our marketplace, we would really like to have the unfinished, screener version removed.  We can appreciate your assertion about the credits, but a quick glance between the two indicates that the cast and crew is the same, and moreover, ONLY the 2017 version is true to the production that is being distributed in the marketplace.  We would prefer one record, but, we MUST have  and deserve by way of factual information that our  Grexican Films LLC production has its stand-alone 2017 record.  It is just essential to sales and it is factually true and correct for the production of this film.  The production version was shown on Feb 9, 2017 at the Mexican American Cultural Center here in Austin, and was subsequently shown on March 7, 2017 (same location) on the film's official release date.  All of this information can be found on the Grexican record (which was for whatever reason turned to 2010 - actually prior to the formation of Grexican Films LLC - so that IS wrong and needs correction).  

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Just a plea from the personal side of this hurtful fiasco. This film is meant to be a tribute to my late father Andrew J Paris, The Bubble Gum King and to finally tell his story that was almost lost over time. Having this rogue, early-project screener out on IMDB for many years has hurt me mentally and financially. There were many missed opportunities because of all of the confusion, and we just can't afford continued IMDB assistance provided to a law-breaker (multiple DMCA's filed) who is trying to impact my sales.  Please help me. I really, really would appreciate your most thoughtful consideration for the unusual victimization I find myself in here.  

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I feel like a central point in all this hasn't been addressed, possibly because it's been lost in the noise of policy and procedure questions. Specifically, the fact that the "old page" for the film has the entire film attached to it as a video upload. (That video URL is http://www.imdb.com/video/withoutabox/vi2977281561.)

If I'm interpreting this correctly, that's the thing that's most problematic for John, rather than any of the credits info or other metadata, and if it was uploaded by someone not authorized to post it then surely the video should be taken down? Then the data can either be merged or not merged or whatever the final consensus is on how to treat the various showings of the film.

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FeRD - It is indeed very important to have the bootleg removed and I have sent an email to copyright@imdb.com. I expect that to be taken care of. BUT the most central thing I need addressed here is what I stated just above your comment here.(the larger paragraph) It sums up everything perfectly.

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My heart goes out to you John.
I have been watching the saga unfold and wish you the best in resolving this. The 'bootleg' video on the 2011 film comes from Withoutabox (WAB) https://www.withoutabox.com/  and as far as I am aware whoever has that account will always be able to link it to IMDb. 

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Col - CEO are you around? Someone changed my title and put (2010) next to it instead of 2017. And I can't change it back. Grexican Films LLC did not exist in 2017! Please fix this. I'm not able! 

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Someone put (2010) next to my brand new title and now I can't change it. HELP!! C....

In this conversationhttps://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/duplicate-page-problem-merge-option-seems-like-a-bad-idea-ne... somebody made the horrible decision to change my title's year to (2010) rather than (2017) and now I'm blocked with a rejection. My company Grexican Films didn't even exist in 2010. Grexican Films was formed in 2013 and the film was release this year by Grexican Films and Gravitas Ventures.

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Thanks for flagging this.  It is going to need some investigation by the team so the appropriate people have been notified. 

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Col Needham thank you so much for this attention. Other than the continued bootlegs being uploaded by Dino Reyes on the old 2011 page the following statement is the most succinct information on what needs to be done:

  The issue is:  A prior company (my prior company), whether authorized by my company or not, has a record out there for a SCREENER and yes, non-production copy of my film.  (not yelling, just emphasizing).  The production was never completed by that company (Bajakaloop! LLC).  But it was completed by my subsequent company, Grexican Films LLC.   Last week I put out a new record for the PRODUCTION version of the film by Grexican Films LLC, distributor Gravitas Ventures LLC, released March 7, 2017. (Check Amazon, iTunes, etc.)  That production is hereby completed, distributed by Gravitas, currently available on multiple platforms, and needs to be accurately represented on IMDB.  Its release date is 2017.  Whether IMDB continues to insist on maintaining this old Bajakaloop! 2010  screener is annoying to me and is facilitating additional unauthorized activity by my prior employee, but is not our first priority:  We must have the production version (2017) restored to is correct state (as was entered last week) and, at best and to avoid continual confusion in our marketplace, we would really like to have the unfinished, screener version removed.  We can appreciate your assertion about the credits, but a quick glance between the two indicates that the cast and crew is the same, and moreover, ONLY the 2017 version is true to the production that is being distributed in the marketplace.  We would prefer one record, but, we MUST have  and deserve by way of factual information that our  Grexican Films LLC production has its stand-alone 2017 record.  It is just essential to sales and it is factually true and correct for the production of this film.  The production version was shown on Feb 9, 2017 at the Mexican American Cultural Center here in Austin, and was subsequently shown on March 7, 2017 (same location) on the film's official release date.  All of this information can be found on the Grexican record (which was for whatever reason turned to 2010 - actually prior to the formation of Grexican Films LLC - so that IS wrong and needs correction).  

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My film title still says 2010 next to it. Please, for the love of god, get this corrected back to 2017.

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It's been changed John. It will show in the next 24 hours.

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Thank god. Thank you.

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24 hours have come and gone and all that is out there is a skeleton of the old page. The page that represents my film Andy Paris: Bubble Gum King (2017) is nowhere to be found.

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Just waiting on pins and needles. I don't even see my 2017 page now. I guess all is happening in the background. 

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24 hours have come and gone and all that is out there is a skeleton of the old page. The page that represents my film Andy Paris: Bubble Gum King (2017) is nowhere to be found.

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It could be that they're "re-building" the entry for your documentary. Just be patient. I'm pretty sure someone from the IMDb team will post info in this thread in due course.

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I hope thats the case but my prior experience with IMDB has not been good. Now the old page(now2010) has my Gravitas Ventures(My distributor's)2017 version of my trailer attached to it. That to me is not a good sign and not a factual representation of the product that sits out on iTunes and Amazon. That old page represents a failed screener project from another one of my companies, Bajakaloop! that doesn't even exist anymore. I'm glad you are optimistic, Eboy. My 2017 Grexican Films/Gravitas Ventures record of "Andy Paris: Bubble Gum King must be restored to its correct state.

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Hi Col and all, is there anything you all need from me in order to help get my page back up?