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Duplicate Keywords - List #31 (Proposals for Permanent Merger and Auto-Conversion) (specific types of people keywords)

Here is the next installment of my lists of proposed keywords for permanent merger and auto-conversion. 

I am posting this for fellow contributors to review first and raise any objections or questions. I will wait at least 14 days* before changing this post to a "problem" post and asking IMDb staff to make the proposed changes.

* On all my previous lists, I had a 7-day comment period; I will now expand that to a 14-day comment period for this and all future lists in order to allow for more community input.

The mergers and auto-conversions should be made in the direction of the arrows.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

cleaning-woman (165 titles)  -->  cleaning-lady (371 titles)


employee-employer-relationship (91 titles)  -->  employer-employee-relationship (1843 titles)


ex-con (176 titles)  -->  ex-convict (1737 titles)

flatmate (105 titles)  -->  flat-mate (17 titles)  -->  flatmates (16 titles)  -->  roommate (1820 titles)


geriatric (24 titles)  -->   elderly (399 titles) -->  old-age (659 titles)


hippy (42 titles)   -->  hippies (40 titles)  -->  hippie (911 titles)


homeless-people (49 titles)  -->   homeless-person (305 titles)


hooker (611 titles)  -->  hookers (8 titles)  -->  lady-of-the-night (20 titles)  -->  prostitutes (87 titles)  -->  prostitute (6628 titles)

old-person (7 titles)  -->  older-people (1 title)  -->  elderly-person (2 titles)  -->  elderly-people (9057 titles)  -->  senior-citizen (667 titles)  -->  senior-citizens (5 titles)  -->  aged-person (17 titles)  -->  older-person (13 titles)

older-man (39 titles)  -->  elderly-man (463 titles)  -->  old-gentleman (2 titles)  -->  old-man (3135 titles)  

older-woman (411 titles)  -->  older--woman (3 titles)  -->  older-women (36 titles)  -->   elderly-woman (443 titles)  -->  eldery-woman (9 titles)  -->  elderly-lady (9 titles)  -->  old-lady (357 titles) -->  older-lady (1 title)  -->  old-woman (2306 titles) 


redhead-woman (69 titles) -->  red-head-woman (12 titles) -->  red-headed-woman (26 titles) -->  redheaded-woman (919 titles)

reformed-prostitute (23 titles)  -->  ex-prostitute (109 titles) --> ex-hooker (6 titles)  -->  former-prostitute (46 titles)


rich-people (44 titles) -->  crazy-rich-people (1 title) -->  wealthy-person (1 title) -->  wealthy-people (3 titles) -->  rich-person (1 title)

roommate-relationship (48 titles)  -->  flatmate-flatmate-relationship (20 titles)  -->  roommate-roommate-relationship (388 titles)


sensual-american-women (72 titles)  -->  sensual-american-woman (68 titles)  -->   american-woman (2621 titles)

sensual-latina-woman (35 titles) -->  sensual-latina-women (5 titles)  -->  latino-woman (12 titles) -->  latin-woman (100 titles) -->   latina-woman (1 title)


sexy-pinay (637 titles) -->  filipina (142 titles)


sheikh (69 titles) -->   sheik-character (11 titles) -->  sheik (180 titles)


street-hooker (2 titles) -->   streetwalker (34 titles) -->   street-walker (130 titles) -->   street-prostitute (43 titles)


street-urchin (71 titles)  -->  street-kid (99 titles)  -->  street-kids (2 titles) -->  street-children (11 titles) -->   street-child (110 titles)


veterans (70 titles) -->  veteran (977 titles)


young-adults (9268 titles) -->  young-adult (270 titles)

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Here are a couple reference sources that support my proposal to merge keywords into "older-person," "older-lady," etc. Basically, "older person" is the preferred nomenclature these days, especially by older people themselves. 

What's the Best Term for Referring to Old People? - The Atlantic

What is difference between the terms aging, old age, and elderly?  (discusses guidance from the American Psychological Association)

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To me, an older person doesn't mean the (exact) same thing as an old person or a senior citizen. Older suggests that this person is compared to another, younger, person and that this comparison is an important aspect of the film/show. For example: When it comes to a romantic comedy and a 20-something year old actress plays the lead, the keyword 'older-man' would lead me to think that she's gonna end up with a man in his late 40's. Or take those cop flicks where one cop, usually very close to retirement, teaches a new cop (somewhere in his 30's) the ropes. The keyword 'older-person' could be applied here as well if one wanted.

I think 'old-person', 'old-man' and 'old-woman' are better suited as keywords because they leave no room for interpretation and are therefore unambiguous.

(Apart from this , there is obviously the subjective matter of deciding when someone is old. Is a 65-year old person old? Not necesarilly I would say. So they remain tricky keywords I'm afraid.)

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@Marco​ I completely understand what you are saying, and this is how I would have felt before I found those two articles recommending "older people" aka "older persons."   There is at least an implication in these articles that the societal acceptability of which terms to use is changing. 

Did you check out the two articles? What do you think about them?

The two articles say that the most preferred term is "older people" and also preferred are "older adults" and "older persons." The singular form of these terms, per IMDb's rules, would be "older person." 

But because of your comment, I just realized that technically we don't see the terms "older man" or "older woman" in either of those articles. And you make a very good point that "older man" and "older woman" imply a relativeness to other (younger) people that may be different from absolute old age.

The best solution I can come up with is to stick with "older person" as the politically correct term for older people of both genders, but "old man" and "old woman" for the gendered terms. 

One potential problem with that is "old man" is a defined term in the dictionary that has yet other meanings:

old man, Informal.
1. a father, usually one's own: His old man's letting him have the car for the prom.
2. a husband: The office is giving my old man a retirement party.
3. a boyfriend or male lover, esp. a male lover with whom one cohabits.
4. (sometimes caps.) a person in a position of authority, esp. an employer or a commanding officer: The Old Man has ordered an inspection for Saturday morning.
5. (used affectionately in addressing a man).
6. See old Adam.
7. southernwood.

It is also worth noting that "old-woman" and "old-man" do seem to be the preferred terms already on IMDb, based on the relative prevalence of these keywords.

I will adjust the list as I have suggested in this comment; let me know what you think. 

Just to summarize: I have edited the list to make these the preferred terms: "older-person," "old-man," and "old-woman."

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@keyword_expert​ A rather late reply, especially since the changes have already been made by IMDb. But anyway, thanks for adjusting your list. I think 'old-man' and 'old-woman' are good keywords (even though it remains hard to pinpoint exactly when a person is old. Is Liam Neeson old in his action films since Taken?).

I understand the point about the various definitions of old man, but I assume everybody would know what is meant in the context of this keyword. For the other definitions of old man other keywords (such as 'father' or 'father-son-relationship') can of course be used.

I've already pointed out why I feel 'older-person' is not the best choice. I understand you're trying to be politically correct, but as you say yourself, what terms are socially acceptable are constantly changing, so we might have to change the term again in a few years and again a few years after that.

That said, I'm reminded about a piece of stand-up from the late George Carlin that deals with what he calls soft language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc

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"young" is also of concern.  I have never understood what the parameters are for "young-man," "young-woman," "young-boy," "young-girl," "young-adult," etc.

These "age-modifiers" have been discussed in the past, even with specific suggestions, but, like so many, many things, NO decisions were ever made.  Therefore, these kinds of keywords have been applied by contributors in a completely inconsistent, personal and subjective way,

As an "old-man," I do not mind being called "old" --- because I am.  Pretending to be younger (i.e., Jack Benny) is nonsense and sadly, pathetically humorous.  Despite H.G. Wells, you cannot go back in time. Despite plastic surgery, botox, facial creams, hair dyes, etc., you are what you are.  Quit deceiving and deluding yourself.   Quit lying to yourself.  And accept the truth.

P.S.  To a 4-year-old, 20 can seem very, very old.  To an 80-year-old, 60 can seem very, very young.  I laugh at movies from the 1930s and 1940s that refer to an old woman when she is in her 50s!  Not today.

In the US, someone, whether you like it or not, is considered "old" when they can receive Social Security: "66 if you were born from 1943 to 1954. The full retirement age increases gradually if you were born from 1955 to 1960, until it reaches 67. For anyone born 1960 or later, full retirement benefits are payable at age 67."  Some politicians want to increase this age to 72 or 75, but that hasn't happened yet!  77 is now the life expectancy age in the US. due to COVID and opioid addiction.

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The "-er" ending implies a comparison, as does "-est."  "old, older, oldest". Still seems best to go with "old-man" and "old-woman" for now.  "old-person" or "older-person" is more general, including both men and women without distinguishing between the two.

Here is a breakdown that I previously suggested, which was ridiculed, but is a self guideline that I have used:

"baby," "baby-boy," "baby-girl" (from birth thru 2 years of age)

"little-boy," "little-girl" (3 to 5 years of age)

"boy," "girl"(6 to 12  years of age)

"teenage-boy," "teenage-girl" (13 to 19 years of age)

"man," "woman" (20 to 64 years of age)

"old-man," "old-woman" (65 years of age or more)

I know these are debatable.  Some add "preteen."  And when does a "boy" become a "man," a "girl" become a "woman"?  18? 21? Never?

And, regarding political correctness:  the term "girl" is often used for adult women, in a seemingly demeaning, lessening way.

Exact ages are the most objective, although the "twenty-something" thru "ninety-something" keywords are objective, too.

Lying about one's age is such a common thing, and can happen at "any" age.  Many "young" want to be "older," and many "old" want to be "younger," but, nevertheless, the truth is still there, whether admitted to or not.

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I updated the list to add one more keyword: merging "old-gentleman" into "old-man" (which matches the proposal to merge "old-lady" into "old-woman"). 

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IMDb staff (@Bethanny and @Michelle):

Now that the 14-day comment period has passed, I have converted this post to a "problem" post and this list is ready for action by IMDb staff. I will paste the list below with the numbers of titles removed.

Duplicate Keywords Proposed for Permanent Merging and Auto-Conversion

cleaning-woman   -->  cleaning-lady 


employee-employer-relationship   -->  employer-employee-relationship 


ex-con   -->  ex-convict 

flatmate   -->  flat-mate   -->  flatmates   -->  roommate 


geriatric   -->   elderly  -->  old-age 


hippy   -->  hippies   -->  hippie 


homeless-people   -->   homeless-person 


hooker   -->  hookers   -->  lady-of-the-night   -->  prostitutes   -->  prostitute 

old-person   -->  older-people  -->  elderly-person   -->  elderly-people   -->  senior-citizen   -->  senior-citizens   -->  aged-person  -->  older-person 

older-man   -->  elderly-man   -->  old-gentleman  -->  old-man  

older-woman   -->  older--woman   -->  older-women   -->   elderly-woman   -->  eldery-woman   -->  elderly-lady   -->  old-lady -->  older-lady   -->  old-woman 


redhead-woman  -->  red-head-woman  -->  red-headed-woman  -->  redheaded-woman 

reformed-prostitute   -->  ex-prostitute  --> ex-hooker   -->  former-prostitute 


rich-people  -->  crazy-rich-people  -->  wealthy-person  -->  wealthy-people  -->  rich-person 

roommate-relationship   -->  flatmate-flatmate-relationship    -->  roommate-roommate-relationship 


sensual-american-women    -->  sensual-american-woman    -->   american-woman 

sensual-latina-woman  -->  sensual-latina-women   -->  latino-woman  -->  latin-woman   -->   latina-woman 


sexy-pinay   -->  filipina  


sheikh   -->   sheik-character  -->  sheik 


street-hooker  -->   streetwalker  -->   street-walker  -->   street-prostitute 


street-urchin  -->  street-kid   -->  street-kids  -->  street-children  -->   street-child 


veterans  -->  veteran 


young-adults  -->  young-adult 

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Since "sexy pinay" literally means "sexy woman," shouldn't it be deleted?

It does not mean just any filipina.

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@bradley_kent​ 

Check out how the keyword "sexy-pinay" is actually being used. Some unknown contributor has been painstakingly applying this keyword to titles with Filipina women that s/he finds attractive. While this is an inherently improper keyword given the subjectivity of the "sexy-" prefix, the keyword can be salvaged by converting it to the objective "filipina" rather than mass deleting the keyword. I would not want the contributor's work to be lost in an instant, despite the impropriety of the keyword itself. 

It's a similar situation with the "sensual-woman" keywords in this list. Those keywords should also be converted in a way that removes their subjectivity, rather than outright deleted.

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Hi @keyword_expert -

All merged and auto-converted!

Cheers!

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@Bethanny​ Nice job! Thank you.