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Tue, Aug 21, 2018 4:59 PM

Death in sharknado 6 | Credit

Hello! --- IMDb update receipt #180821-163959-580000

I'm an actor/writer, and I did work on Sharknado 6 as a Stand-In. I also did a stunt with stunt coordinator/my friend Alex, to get eaten in the face by a shark on the beach. :)

I woke up today to see they had credited my ACTING page with a role name that just says "Background" - it looks weird and isn't that against IMDb standards? I was happy to provide atmosphere for them but Background is not a role and it looks strange with real story work. 

The submitted receipt listed above is me suggesting they change it to "Guy" because I am so confused by this. I am flattered and I love their crew, but if they want to list my credit it has to be something like "Shark Victim" because I was eaten in the face, or "Guy on Beach" -- really anything that is a legitimate story-related term.


Someone please advise? You can see what they did here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1738243/ 
Thanks!

George Loomis





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2 years ago

Hi, George:

I haven't seen The Last Sharknado: It's About Time (2018) yet, but during last July I audited the on-screen credits of the first five films of the franchise. If, as I suspect, this last installment follows the same pattern as the rest, you're probably billed under the caption Background.

I agree that this may look weird, uninformative or misleading, but listing "character names as they appear in on-screen credits" is precisely in accordance with IMDb standards.

Cheers!

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It's very nice of them to list all of the extras like that.

It actually raises an interesting question: what should we do with Hobo with a Shotgun. Credits are incomplete and most of the people you see in the uncredited actinf section actually are credited as background performers, albeit it doesn't immediately follow cast credits, so it's probably should me added to Miscellaneous Crew... 

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I haven't seen Hobo with a Shotgun. Where exactly do the background performers get credited in relationship to the main cast? I would say the fact that they even make the credits makes them part of the cast. They aren't "crew" in any sense of the word as they don't work behind the scenes. (Then again, that argument could be made for stunt work as well.)

For the movies that I've added background/extras, the credits rarely directly follow the main cast. The main cast is usually followed by the stunt crew and then the extras/background characters. Sometimes, the stunt crew is intermixed with the cast and IMDb is inconsistent on handling stunt characters. For example, Get Out credits the two police officers at the bottom of the cast even though they are credited on screen as "Stunt Police Officer" and then another cast member follows.

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They are at the very end of credits, somewhere near Special Thanks. When something like that happens it usually gets listed in Miscellaneous Crew, although there are no clear rules on that. 

One example is Evil Dead (2013): while all previous installements of the franchise got "fake shemps" listed in the cast section, in this case they were added to miscellaneous crew, as their credits were buried midway through the credits, long after the cast (despite in this case fake shemps actually were bit part actors with rather memorable role). I'm still glad they are listed at all, because I tried to add them for years. In the beginning of this year I took extra mile and also re-checked end credits. It turned out, IMDb listings lacked dozens of names.  

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Thanks for your reply @ljdoncel — what would you recommend I do? 1) As mentioned I was a Stand-In 2) per your own words “Character names as they appear in onscreen credits” - Background is not a character name, it’s a job. So it doesn’t conform to standards. Conforming to standards would require a character name. Background is not a character name.

Please let me know what you think I should do...I’m pretty sure I can’t leave it in my acting credits just because it looks weird. Personally I think it’s really funny, but I doubt I can keep it.
I love the director of this film and I’m unsure why he does this on all these... Please let me know what you’d advise, and thank you!

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Hi, George:
Background is not a character name, it’s a job. So it doesn’t conform to standards.
As Adrian states below, cast guide explicitly covers the instances in which actors are identified as Background in the on-screen credits, so it does conform to the site's standards. By now, you have succeeded in changing the character name to Guy (be careful!), but as soon as some contributor checks the on-screen credits (like Adrian did in the first place) and is able to provide a screenshot...

...it will probably be reverted to Background soon.
(I've numbered the names in a hurry, so if I ever submit the missing credits I'll have to re-check for duplicates).

I agree that (sadly) the aforementioned rule prevents you from giving a more detailed description of your role in the character name field. Adrian's idea (Background/Man Eaten by Shark) is interesting, but I wouldn't recommend it because the slash would imply that you played two different roles. Jeorj's alternative is great (IMO), and I think that could be incorporated into the guides, so here's my humble proposal for consideration by IMDb staff and fellow contributors:
If several actors are billed on screen under a common generic "background" caption (e.g. Background, Extras...) and have no character names listed, the generic header can be followed by a hyphen and a short description of their role (e.g. Background - Man Eaten by Shark).
(someone please rephrase it in proper English... )


George, in the meantime, I suggest that you add a trivia item in your name page explaining what you did in the film; something like: "In [link=tt8031422] he did a stunt with stunt coordinator [link=nm2317701] to get eaten in the face by a shark on the beach."
I’m pretty sure I can’t leave it in my acting credits just because it looks weird. Personally I think it’s really funny, but I doubt I can keep it
Be grateful that Mr. Ferrante takes everybody into consideration (I agree with Nikolay)... You could regret not having been credited in a future...

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Thank you! As mentioned, I like Anthony Ferrante very much, and I'm not sure who is behind doing that. I changed it to Guy out of sheer confusion yesterday morning. I'm going to leave it that way until I see the film. Once again, thanks!

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And yes exactly @ljdoncel -- Anthony Ferrante is a terrific guy.

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2 years ago

Hey George, 

I'm the guy that added your credit to Sharknado 6. You are listed in the section called background. This conforms to IMDb standards as that is the way you are credited and Background is acceptable if that is how it appears on screen.

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2 years ago

It inherently doesn’t conform to IMDb standards because it’s not a character name — that’s not IMDb’s fault though! This situation is hilarious

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Weird acting credits happen. :)

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It does conform to IMDb's standards. Per the cast guide:

We will accept "background" or "extra" if that's how the credit appears on screen, but "background", "extra" or "bit-part" will not be accepted as a character name on the title if the role does not receive an on-screen credit.
This is the only reason I added it. I'm guessing you can ammend the credit to something like "Background/Man Eaten by Shark". I know credits are supposed to be as shown on screen but sometimes an extra definition isn't harmful.

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It would be a hyphen instead of a slash.

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Thanks guys!

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2 years ago

Haha gentlemen thank you for your time on this. I believe I have a solution. This will go down as the most hilarious message board chain I’ve ever been involved in.