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Fri, Dec 1, 2017 3:56 AM

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Changes to company credits

Clicking on Company Credits ... See more>> or individual Production Co. it send u on IMDbPro  log in page, I assume it's a clinch.

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54 Messages

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1.9K Points

3 years ago

I just came home after visiting my family for weekend. But as a faithful member of the IMDb, I don't want to become a member of IMDb Pro just for the company credits. Company filmographies have been one of the biggest reasons I use IMDb since I signed into the site for the first time, and how it's become now, I will not be able to find out what company made "this" and "that" movie anymore thanks to the IMDb Pro. I refuse to see that change being permanent, and I'm not alone on this. I see many contributors and ordinary IMDb users have been complaining about this since the problem began.

And what about the non-member visitors who just wants to look up at upcoming and previous movies coming from companies like Twentieth Century Fox, and instead they have to register themselves and become members of IMDb Pro just for that. The same if anyone would like to look up to rare companies like JC Films [mx], extinct companies like Edison Manufactoring Company, and animal rights groups like PETA.

And not all people have enough money to become a member of that IMDb Pro.

I'm sorry, but I think this leads to more frustration among the users. So I ask any of the IMDb staff to please make the company filmographies free again, and remove the IMDb Pro redirection, not only for my sake, but for all of the IMDb users as well.

However, this is just my opinion, and I'm sorry if I sound little bit harsh on some parts of my comment. It's just the fact I'm concerned on behalf of the IMDb users who've also been using company filmographies like I've been doing. And if the IMDb Pro redirection remains permanent, then I feel like I'm going crazy.

Sincirely, Chribren

Employee

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140.1K Points

Thanks for the feedback and the context of your usage.  We are discussing options here at the moment. 

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Okay, thank you for your reply. By the way, as someone who's been using IMDb since the mid-2000s, I'm okay with several of the other changes as already announced on https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0, and I'm happy the IMDb will do anything to make improvements for their users, and grow the site's content. It was just now, right here, for the company filmographies, I and many others had to put my feet down on the floor and speak out, since as of now, I and the other users can only search for titles, people and some other stuff, not companies unless we become IMDb Pro members. Besides from everything I've said, I agree with the other Get Satisfaction members on all the other opinions and reasons mentioned, prior to my comment.

I use the IMDb a lot, mainly for fun. And I like to contribute on the site by adding new titles or extra content on existing titles. Speaking of companies, I've been using companies like JC Films, Fernsehen der DDR, MarVista Entertainment, Xces Film, Paramount Pictures, PETA, MPAA, and many more. It was through that kind of searching I've been finding many movie titles I haven't known about, and it was through MarVista I've got to know about "Kiddo the Super-Truck", which I streamed several days ago, just to make an example. The same with searching for titles and directors unheard for me.

So for the time being, I cross my fingers for the company filmography to become free again, and lots of the other features to remain free, even with the new software system. Then I, along with other users and contributors, will be enjoying the site to the fullest again like before. And I don't use any program like AdBlock on the IMDb.

Employee

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Thanks for the extra details on your usage.  We have taken another look at this and the best way to build this with the new system would be as a search result.  We already offer limited company searches on the advanced title search page at http://www.imdb.com/search/title so for example, wherever we reference "20th Century Fox" on the site, the company name would be linked to the corresponding search results, as in http://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=fox 

The same would apply for all companies, so in your examples, companies like JC Films, Fernsehen der DDR, MarVista Entertainment, Xces Film, Paramount Pictures, PETA, MPAA etc. would be linked to their advanced search results similar to Fox. 

Does this sound okay? 

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It may feel kinda unusual for me in the beginning, since we've been used to simply write a company, click, and we're right on the company. But I guess I may give it a chance. The limited company search as it is temporarily seems like a nice step further in the new advanced search results, so getting to search on all of the thousands of the other companies right there would be a great fun as it was before with the old software system. But I will let you know if something comes up in my heart and mind regarding this. Give us a message when this change is about to be completed, as I feel kinda excited about this. :-)

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1.2K Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Company Links Redirected to IMDBPro Again.

It appears as if this is an old bug that has been solved in the past. As of today, I can't get a list of films that A24 or Sundance has distributed; instead I'm offered an opportunity to sign up for Pro. This happens whether I'm clicking on a link on a film's main page or searching for the company.

Employee

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We have taken another look at this and the best way to build this with the new system would be as a search result. 

From an example above:

We already offer limited company searches on the advanced title search page at http://www.imdb.com/search/title so for example, wherever we reference "20th Century Fox" on the site, the company name would be linked to the corresponding search results, as in http://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=fox
Does this sound okay? 

Champion

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I suppose the search results would not be able to distinguish between different types of credits (production, distributor, etc)?

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"If we cannot do something properly, simply and consistently across all IMDb consumer web site and mobile app platforms, we are (mostly) no longer going to do it at all. Company filmography falls into this category and is now only supported on IMDbPro as it is more of an entertainment industry focused feature in any case."

It's clear to me (as a former coder) that there will be non-zero work involved with the search solution, and significantly more work to restore the original functionality. IOW, what "simply" here means, is *inexpensively*. Hence the "(mostly)" qualifier -- you decide which features are worth retaining and which are not worth the effort.

I'm rather boggled that you would regard this as something you can punt.

Having some links on the main page direct to Pro -- completely disrupting the user experience -- is itself inconsistent. It's textbook bad user interface design. That it's *mostly * of interest to pros is a terrible justification. You don't put a key link in the corner of the screen because that's mostly problematical for people with slow visual search. You want to accommodate all your users.

That it looks like it was done out of *corporate greed* makes it even worse. Those of us who routinely look at company data will admittedly get used to using whatever search solution you come up with. But what about casual users of the corporate links? What about the film buff who comes home from seeing The Disaster Artist, recognizes A24 as the distributor, and has a vague memory that they also distributed one or more of Lady Bird, The Florida Project, The Killing of a Sacred Deer, Good Time, and A Ghost Story? And now they're curious about the company. When they try to verify their vague memory at IMDB in the most obvious way, by clicking on the A24 link on the Disaster Artist page, they're going to be asked to sign up for Pro. Now they have to either sign up for a trial, or back out of the sign-up dialogue box and try Wikipedia for the info. Really?

Secondly, company data is still data. Where does your data come from in the first place? There is no U.S. distributor listed for the recent, highly acclaimed indie film Columbus. Google says it was distributed by the Sundance Institute, but BoxOfficeMojo has the distributor as "INDEPENDENT," one of a handful of films with that credit. Is the latter an actual distributor, or BOM's catch-all when they don't have the data, either? I did not attempt to research the possible distributors involved because I'm a movie professional (although I do get The Hollywood Reporter for free because of my helpful reviews as IMDB and Amazon), I did so because I AM DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE DATA AT IMDB for the benefit of OTHER USERS.

If you make it frustratingly hard to update the database ... people are going to stop doing so.

I think this is an easy call. Pay people to write the necessary code.

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196 Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Company links redirects to Pro.

all the company links redirects to Pro, what's going on?, is this a bug or are you seriously trying make us pay for something that was free,

if this is a bug, you need to fix this fast
if you tying to charge us for it, why?, what kind of bull crap is this.

Champion

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99.8K Points

3 years ago

@Col

I'm interested in the ATS by Company, for companies beyond the current 8.

My interest is in old movies, and I want to be able to pull a list of musicals produced by RKO (or Republic, or any studio with credits here.) 

If I request silent films produced by MGM, I don't want to get Douglas Fairbanks silent films produced by United Artists. (MGM acquired UA inventory a while back.)

I might also want to pull by distributor at some point. For instance, I've watched several indie produced films distribute by Grand National back in the day, which makes me want to isolate their titles to search for others. But this is much lower on my wish list than searching by production co.

Is there a chance the new search will support these distinctions?

Employee

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You will be able to search for any company in isolation.  

The current data policy still combines the UA and MGM titles under MGM so a search for MGM would return all titles. However, the richer model for companies on IMDbPro means we could look at separating the two company filmographies on IMDbPro, and instead using the company relations data to connect the two listings.  This is turn would separate the results as you desire on advanced title search.  This will not be top of the priority list in 2018,  but it will be easier to do than if we had retained the company credits pages on IMDb.com. 

Champion

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You will be able to search for any company in isolation.  
But not be able to distinguish between production and distribution? Because if I could specify production, that should eliminate my problem of getting UA titles during an MGM search.

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Not the top of the priority list in 2018? What exactly is the priority list? Why do you keep trying to surprise us rather than simply coming forward with some more of the major plans?

Champion

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@Jeorj

I empathize with trying to design a system with millions of users who apply the flexibility of this system in a myriad of ways.

I wonder to what extent they can track access to various features, and what tools they have for analyzing such data.

Do they have a user advisory board, but too small to really span the breadth of usage?

If I were product manager, I doubt that I'd share future ideas with a forum like this, especially given the generalized complaints that some people submit.

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59.4K Points

3 years ago

Can this thread be linked to the "Data Issues & Policy Discussions" please?

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432 Points

3 years ago

How is Col Needham's suggestion better in any way, shape, or form? I use IMDb extensively to look up company histories and now that feature is completely gone (except for the six or seven big companies already offered). Looking for the output of a small studio? Sorry, you're out of luck unless yo pay IMDb. Ridiculous. 

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157.1K Points

It's not better by a long shot, but it is more than zero. Sorry.

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206 Points

3 years ago

Col, have you all thought about maybe dropping the pro price about 85%. If you were charging 25.00 a year, the number of subscribers would obviously increase immensely and I would wager the revenue actually increase.  Is the 150 rate to try to limit the audience on the pro site?

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157.1K Points

The thing is, IMDbPro is intended for individuals and organizations that have a high-resource (or high-financial) stake in matters and persons related to published works of the videographic vein. IMDbPro is designed to rescue a smaller population than the overall general public of the world from that segment's "industrial" woes. Naturally a company would want a slice of the rewards involved in the stakes, or to at least not be bothered by "amateurs" or non-serious people like slackers. On that note, there should be bulk access deals between IMDbPro and film schools, kind of like how Microsoft provides MSDN materials to universities, for whatever fee, or likewise with IEEE and SAE, perhaps a student discount.

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59.4K Points

3 years ago

Will clicking on a company name will - at one point - lead to the outcome page of the advanced search?
Example: When I click on the Disney company here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1790810/companycredits, I get taken to this Pro page: https://pro-labs.imdb.com/company/co0008970?ref_=ttco_co_2. Can you please make it so that it leads to http://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=disney&sort=release_date,desc?

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2.7K Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Company credits.

Who came up with the brilliant idea to make basic company information (like what films a company produced, not contact information/financial data etc.) available only to IMDb Pro members? And in the same way removing the simple lists which gave a quick overview of the company credits? For God's sake, please stop these useless changes...

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Upcoming changes to several IMDb features.

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656 Points

3 years ago

Does this sound okay? 
No, it does not sound okay. The advanced search example you gave is not going to replace company filmographies, because it's not restricted by function, so the search result brings up hundreds (or thousands) of thanks and miscellaneous credits as well as production ones. This makes it completely useless. And is there really going to be search support for every obscure film company from the 1910s or 1920s? When? 5 years from now?

This is a terrible change and it's just one more terrible change. When you closed the message boards you said that it wasn't one of the core functions of the site, the core function was to be a film database. But what sort of database takes away the ability to cross-reference the data?

This change not only reduces functionality and greatly reduces the usefulness of IMDb, but it makes it very difficult (if not impossible) to add, check, correct and delete company credits. The only solution I can see is just not to bother submitting them anymore.